Kratox Supplements?

As a general rule, most supplements are a crock, save the few that are already well established and researched (creatine, caffeine, whey etc).

I can see they're selling stuff like turkesterone and test boosters (i.e. bullsh*t), so red flag central. Steer clear.

if you cant find anything on them , they are likely a crock

there are plenty reputable brands out there to choice from

I just watched the video. Just to make the point that he says TA only works in men who already don't have normal levels of testosterone. Some of the studies have shown in young healthy males with normal levels it still does boast testosterone levels. Either way, the studies are still not enough to say which is correct so he should not be talking in absolutes. We certainly know at this point that it has some effect on test levels, probably greater if you are low.

The purity problems he talks about are with Fadogia Agrestis. I think it has been shown to be toxic in high doses. Those toxicity problems are at very high consumption way beyond what is recommended. I know very little about it though apart from that the only studies as he said done on it are in animals. I don't know why anyone would be touching it when it has no basis for efficacy in human consumption.

TA has on the other hand an increasing number of human trials which have so far shown positive results.

I mean the question of whether it works isn't even a talking point anymore. Derek (moreplatesmoredates) is considered one of the foremost authorities on the internet around Testosterone and he explains in the video I posted that it works and how he believes it works. No doubt in your mind he is another idiot as it seems from your post you are the foremost authority on everything in this space while people who spend their lives dedicated to studying all this stuff are idiots. With that kind of self-delusion, I don't think you need to worry about test levels.

Turkesterone had no human trials IIRC.I don't understand anyone who wants to put stuff in their bodies without human clinical trials. That whole sage with Derek is extremely nuanced which I am sure you know. Your whole argument style is extremely jarring. You attribute one wrong thing a person has said or done and then extrapolate that means everything they say or do is rubbish even if they are considered largely in very good standing within these communities. I haven't seen a single person of any credibility actually question that Tongkat ALi probably works to raise test. Even in the video, Markmoo posted from the guy who is skeptical he admitted that it does look like TA works.

I have been on and off the fitness train for over 20 years. In that time outside of eating healthy and training hard to get results the only supplements I have ever taken are creatine, protein, caffeine, Fish oil, Vit D.The whole industry is complete BS and unless you are willing to stick a needle in your arse you are not going to get quick results.

Tongkat Ali is the only thing I have seen in that time that I have researched quite heavily and come away with the conclusion that it works. All of the current data does point to this. the supplement has been in use for decades in other parts of the world. It isn't some new wonderdrug but something which has been used successfully for a very long time by a huge body of people and has only been fed into popular western culture recently through some high-profile advocates.

examine.com used to be such a great resource until they started looking for your credit card.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9415500/

Above is a Meta-Analysis of I think 9 different studies in humans. I already stated in another post that it most likely works best in people with low T. We don't have nearly enough data for young healthy males so it is impossible to tell currently one way or another. The fact is most people who consider TRT for legitimate reasons generally have Low T for one reason or another so if this does act as a booster it would be huge for those people to have an alternative before jumping on TRT. I know personally people who have had symptoms such as hair loss, increased libido, etc after taking Tongkat

The whole point is that it doesn't just look like more snake oil as it is doing something hormonally. The targeted effect of exactly what, who, and how it is doing all this to give a clearer picture of exactly who and how it helps is still a good bit away from being known.

We don't know enough about healthy subjects. The studies are obviously going to come much quicker on people who have an underlying problem to treat because that is where the medical need is. The studies on other sections of society will take much longer and for now, the data is almost non-existent in that area. It doesn't mean that it doesn't work.

Andrologia, found that among a sample of thirty-two males in their mid-twenties, both testosterone and free testosterone levels dramatically increased by 15% and 34%

It is a small study that means nothing but I am pointing toward it to show that we don't know!