Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Tbh I think the discussion of Abrams is kinda moot. It was a political step to unlock the Leopards. The Germans not wanting to be seen as aggresive warmongers in any way shape or form. Which is understandable. So the Americans pledge some Abrams and then supply them in the slowest possible manner since the details of how they're provided is of little political importance compared with the declaration that they'll be delivered. I'd honestly be surprised if we see a single Abrams rolling around Ukraine this year.

The GLSDBs "not coming from stocks" is a bit misleading though I think. Since the Americans have thousands of the M26 rockets lying around then a special adapter is added to snap the small diameter bomb to it. So it shouldn't take that long. They've been announced as being in the next package so clearly there are some already made. They were only proposed to the Pentagon by Saab/Boeing last November so it seems they can be produced relatively quickly. This is just me speculating though.

With regards to the Americans hard coding a range limit to their Himars. Yeah thatss worrying. Supplying Ukraine with 150km missiles then neutering their ability to use them like they were supposed to seems like the height of stupidity to me but who knows. However I can think of a few things that could counter that.

1. The rocket component itself with the GLSDB does not actually fly the full distance. It carries the warhead high and far enough at which point the bomb detaches and glides the rest of the way. A possibility for it to bypass this hard limit on the other GMLRS rockets.
2. The Ukranians also have several MLRS systems from the germans brits and Italians I believe. M270's and MARS. It's possible these units don't have this limit applied to them I guess?

The words "absolute fucking gibberish" are thrown around a lot these days...

Right I'll avoid the ableist perjorative, but say that this interpretation of me is based on imagination, a kinda slotting people into preconceived boxes, and not based on anything I actually said or expressed.

Some say it's all a plot by the CIA to discredit putin,

And putin is fighting Nazis in Ukraine only after a year he hasn't been able to find a single Ukrainian Nazi

Would you have a link for this 10:1 outshelling? The Ukrainians are using 90,000 a month, so, yeah, a link?

Add to this the fact Ukraine have set up their own factory for mortars and soviet calibre shells and the US is increasing their manufacturing by six fold, eventually making 90,000 a month, but only after a year or so, and the 300,000 shells the US is taking from stockpiles in Israel and South Korea, hopefully they will have enough in the short term. I'll bet that with their greater range and accuracy and sophisticated drone targeting and fire correction, every Ukraine fired shell is probably worth multiple from the Orcs in terms of effectiveness.

Apparently France has also set up an ongoing supply program for Ukraine to the tune of $200 million.

I don't need understanding, I need ammunition.

Anyone going for option 3, stepping stone to rest of Europe, must be tooting crack.

More Russian threats

The pro orc camp would have you believe that there is some huge artillery advantage that the Ukrainians have no hope against, but that simply isn't true.

Plenty of evidence out there of Ukrainian laser guided shells landing with pinpoint accuracy and smoking the unhappy orcs and their tanks. Most of the orc shelling seems to just end up blowing holes in random fields.

You also must remember that Ukraine are likely keeping some shells back for the forthcoming offensives.

orcs by their own admission lost 50% of their elite troops by September.

Figure is probably 80-90% by now and they are all replaced by conscripts.

Do people really think that a bunch raw untrained mobiks are going to even be able to take Bakhmut, let alone the rest of Donbass?

I misspoke. I meant to say this is Putin's plot to destroy Russia. A Russian woman, being interviewed recently, was asked how she thought the war was going. She said if it is meant to destroy Russia, it is going well.

Just saw that, A grim comment.

what’s the true intention..?

attack the EU ? US ? Both ? The likelihood if it’s a true threat, it is something nuclear… as the Russians ain’t invading the EU…

personally with a threat of that manner, why not hit the Russians with something nasty first ?

really can’t see a deescalation from where we are at… now. Putin is hell bent on WW3. He’s nutsville.

The Ukraine might very well be just the beginning to a very grim and depressing time..

In fact Putin has just commented…

“Those who hope to defeat Russia on the battlefield do not understand, it seems, that a modern war with Russia will be very different for them," the 70-year-old leader said. 

"We are not sending our tanks to their borders, but we have the means to respond. It won't be limited to the use of armoured hardware. Everyone must understand this." 

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov declined to elaborate on Mr Putin's comments, but did tell reporters that "as new weapons are delivered by the collective West, Russia will make greater use of its potential to respond". 

the EU should just let events transpire. The Ukraine have done SFA for the EU or it’s citizens aside from looking for handouts, now it’s seemingly on the cusp of dragging us all into WW3 and the nut job Putin is capable.

what did western leaders, think was going to be Putins reaction, by gifting the Ukranians, tanks, arms, training, equipment and money ?

they are acts of war, facilitating and equipping the enemy….! Or will certainly be seen as acts of aggression by Russia, so…..

WWIII ? Getting ever closer…if comments are to be genuine.