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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭minimary


    "Up to 300 people, made up of mostly local people but with a strong Dublin contingent, marched from the barracks shortly after 7pm and made their way through the centre of the town, halting traffic and chanting while a Garda presence observed from a distance."

    If there was a strong Dublin contingent at a refugees welcome demonstration would it be mentioned?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,554 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    It's really been quite extraordinary how discourse has transformed over the last two months particularly.

    The kind of views, here and other liberal parts of the Irish internet like r/ireland that would have been at best to be too uncomfortable to be discussed are getting a complete airing.

    It's hard to believe how the narrative was lost and lost so quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,120 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    We're getting into downright weird territory with these protests. Population of Mullingar is 20,000 - the plan is house only 120 refugees at any one time at this disused army barracks (claims that this will put huge pressure on the town's infrastructure and services and that locals should have been consulted is clearly not going to wash).



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I hope you’re right, but it’s feeling hopeless at the moment. Even if we can stop it right now until we get our act together (which won’t happen) we’re already fukked.



  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭minimary


    The article quotes Robert Troy as saying 120 males to start and then another 200 made up of families. Hasn't Mullingar already taken a fair few refugees this summer, that hotel in centre (Harrys) was converted to acommodate them. Then I assume they've taken a few Ukranians too. I wonder how many extra GP's they've gotten or what 120 extra men add to their town.

    Do you think theres anything to stop the Department from increasing the numbers at the barracks once the tents and portacabins are in situ? Surely isn't it better to protest now before people are living there?


    Amazing how quickly an overton window gets thrown open



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  • Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭Blind As A Bat


    Yeah, that's what worries me, 'too little too late.ie/the country is already destroyed'.



  • Registered Users Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes


    All it takes is for one of these men to commit a serious crime and the place is tarnished forever. Given, on average, 40% will have entered the country having destroyed their documentation, the chances of that happening are hardly trivial. Moreover, given everyone knows the government has nowhere to put the thousands leaving hotels in a matter of weeks, the 120 figure is simply not credible and could easily double or treble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,120 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    If there was a disused army barracks within 1km of where I live, I doubt I or anyone else in the locality would even notice if 120 refugees had moved into it recently. Contact with the local population would be likely to be absolutely minimal. I'm not even sure what some of these protests are about any longer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    The tonight show cut off very quickly the journalist who said we shouldn’t put the far right and people who have genuine concerns in the same box.

    Straight to an ad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭Blind As A Bat


    Why do you assume that contact with the locals would be minimal? They won't stay inside all the time. Believe me, you'll notice when a hundred Georgian or Albanian guys from the barracks start hanging around in the streets of your neighbourhood. And they can't live there forever. Where are they going to live eventually?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    It’s not disused.

    RTE interviewed a member of the local restoration society about it this afternoon. It effectively functions as the town’s community centre with over 30 different clubs, societies, sports teams etc using it weekly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    In case you missed it, thousands of people are flooding in every week and there is no suitable accomodation or infrastructure for them.

    A lot of these people are clearly scamming the system and people are getting a bit sick of it.

    I am surprised you are struggling with what the issue is here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭DaithiMa


    That is fair enough that you wouldn't protest, I wouldn't either if it was just a once off. In smaller, rural communities it is different but I agree, this one in Mullingar seems to be an opportunistic protest given the numbers involved and the population of the town etc.

    However, some government ministers are saying that we should expect another 180,000 refugees/international protection applicants in the next 11 months. We've had 80k in the last 12 months and our government is already putting some asylum seekers out on the streets due to a lack of room. And we've been told that thousands of beds in hotels could be lost if the hosts revert to tourism.

    If O'Gorman's solution is tents, then what is the country going to look like by the end of the year, are we going to have 180k+ refugees and asylum seekers in refugee camps all over the country? Do you not see why some people might have an issue with this government policy? That's what I think a lot of reasonable people have genuine concerns about and also why some are protesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    It's also thin edge of the wedge stuff.

    120 will end up being 220 then 320, followed by a disused factory down the road becoming another 320.

    Where does it stop?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Heard that earlier.


    Something the article conveniently leaves out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,732 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    There is a very heavy Ukranian immigrant population in Killarney…

    hotels in summer now are in many decent establishments… 200-300 a night….it was a fraction of that prior to this carry on I booked four nights for my folks…

    if this continues … the general tourism sector is fûcked, gonna hit the wall…

    you are going to see refugees in competition with each other and Irish citizens….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    I remember getting lovely 3 night mid week winter breaks in Killarney (and other places) with 2 dinners and breakfasts etc. for very reasonable money.

    All that is gone now never to be seen again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    It is so obvious that there is a scramble to control the narrative. I’m sure the media have been briefed about how important it is to keep a lid on any hint of questioning the asylum system in Ireland.

    “Local heroes” and social media influencers being paid from taxpayer’s money to gaslight the obvious fact that the government have destroyed a quarter of a century of generally positive sentiment to immigration by their complete incompetence.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,622 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Exactly that 100 in tents soon turns into a semi permanent settlement of 200 plus, all of which are completely dependent on social services from the local community. That isn't such a small number in reality is it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭riddles


    The process for asylum and inward migration has not worked for the least twenty years.

    The same dysfunctional process was hardly going to start correcting itself when put under the pressure of scale.

    The process needs a new swim lane titled “illegal immigrant” and then the associated task list to resolve that volume ASAP.

    Difficult to know what constitutes a crisis situation within the powers that be circles. It’s also impossible to see a solution coming from the people largely responsible for not correcting a dysfunctional process in the first place.

    The very first time migrants and temporary hotel accommodation appeared in the same sentence it was time to trigger a process redesign. It was flat wrong of M Martin to offer Ukrainians a misleading pledge which could not be delivered on.

    We could have supported them with money to go locations who can provide accommodation we can’t. Alternatively we could has said apologies to the EU socially housed migrants sorry you need to return home we need to allocate that accommodation to Ukrainian refugees.

    Any naturalised refugee who returns to the country they claim to have fled from for a holiday at a very minimum should rescind their social housing and welfare entitlements immediately.

    Access to welfare needs to be linked to a history of employment taxation payments. If the current working assumption is 99% plus illegal migrants will get a PPS number in less than five years there’s no option but to change the “access to welfare” criteria.

    The population globally will increase by 2 billion in twenty years - focused largely in the poorest areas likely to see the worst impacts of global warming. This fact based acceptance at and EU level in step one then step two is how to support the people is those developing countries to create a situation that offers life in that country.

    People migrating into EU countries with no marketable skills will either live on welfare or crime because a low paid job will not sustain a family in the current economic cycle. The Roma population as an example who reputedly numbers in excess of thirty thousand - how are they sustaining themselves here since their arrival?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure



    the narrative was lost and lost so quickly.

    It held for a long time though. At the start I was all for taking as many as we could accommodate, but there came a point where I thought to my self 'we can't keep going like this, somewhere down the line somethings got to give...'

    that was 6 months ago, these two articles were published on 31st July last

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40930016.html

    Councils are looking for properties on islands off the Irish coast to accommodate Ukrainians living in student accommodation.

    Thousands of refugees face having to leave accommodation before the next academic year begins, with many being told they need to vacate their flats over the next two weeks.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0731/1313201-ukraine-refugees

    The Department of Sport has confirmed that it has been contacting sporting bodies to see if there are any sporting venues available to house Ukrainian refugees on a short-term basis.

    The Government is hoping additional hotel accommodation will come online through September and October when the tourist season comes to an end.

    Six months on and where are we? public opinion might be turning, but the people in charge are seriously lagging behind



  • Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭Blind As A Bat


    The latest from RTE

    Jesus Christ Almighty, this is sheer madness. The country will be destroyed without a doubt. It's becoming a giant, open doss house.

    I know there is something just not right going on. It was right for Ireland to do our bit to help those Ukrainians that we could help in the first days of the war when Russia rolled in there - what was happening in Ukraine was pure evil, literally demonic stuff. But what's happening now, is a totally different story.

    Somebody from Georgia for example is not a refugee. They're a person who doesn't like living in a hybrid regime or wants a better standard of living. Stop calling them refugees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Next we will be emptying public swimming pools and putting camp beds in them, and they will be there forever.

    Shameful stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    Look at the historical images of refugees:

    You will see emaciated, haunted looking people in rags dragging meagre possessions on a cart. You will see women with small children, you will see the elderly. Pathetic, sorrowful columns struggling to reach the nearest border.

    Look at current images of non-Ukranian "refugees":

    Overwhelmingly young men documenting their merry journey on their pricey iPhones. They are well fed; they are better dressed and groomed than the average Irish man. Any in Ireland will have bypassed at least 14 safe jurisdictions to find the softest touch: a country that does not take its security seriously.

    Their passage and presence is characterised by fraud, criminality, grotesque entitlement and violence.

    It's an immoral scam and I'm glad public opposition to it is becoming overt.

    The situation is now so desperate that the silent and silenced majority are slowly finding voice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    delete wrong thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,823 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    O’Gorman should resign in shame and leave politics for ever. He won’t though...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,823 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    RTÉ propaganda in full flow (streams of scutter talk) this morning.

    That aine lawlor one in particular is some dose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 663 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    .............remember the "golden oldies" midweek breaks, the "shoulder season" where you could decide today to go somewhere tomorrow and still get a great deal. I think tourism for the Irish is over. There are no more cheap weekends or midweek breaks.... this is what many Irish loved, the opportunity to get a break during the Autumn or Winter in some fabulous hotels and places, at a fraction of peak season prices. All gone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 663 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    This is the nux of it! People are not marching and protesting JUST because 120 migrants are being put in their town, in their community halls. People are getting angry at being tarred as "racists and right wingers"....when they are just concerned citizens. Support is growing by the day for the anti-immigrant movements and the Government and media are playing right into their hands.

    The more people are tarred as Right Wing, the more angry they are getting and the more the movement is going to grow. This is causing a massive divide between the ordinary middle ground person and this Government. Ordinary people who usually support this Government are getting angry. We are being smeared by Leo Varadkar only yesterday saying "we need to do more, Irish people can do better"!! Who the hell is he to lecture us??

    Every single time Government is criticised across media in the last week, (Andrea Gilligan on Newstalk, Clare Brock on the Tonight Show, Aine Lawlor on RTE) the presenters IMMEDIATELY change the subject, defend Government or go to an ad break! Its shameful but its not going to work, this is growing legs day by day and it cannot be ignored. Pat Kenny on Newstalk is the ONLY one sticking his head above the parapet and asking serious questions now about where this is going!



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