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Six Nations 2023 - Wales v Ireland, Sat 4th Feb, KO 2:15PM - TV: VM1, BBC1, S4C

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    France won by four points in Cardiff last year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,425 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia




  • Registered Users Posts: 719 ✭✭✭flatface


    team kinda selected itself, I didn’t think there was much controversial calls.

    I think it’s very strong and more than capable of outplaying the Welsh. It’s much the same as against the winning teams last year. Who would you have selected differently?



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,425 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia



    And here was that french side




  • Registered Users Posts: 22,425 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    There were lots of controversial calls. I wouldn't have brought Earls to the international camp, and I wouldn't have Murray on the Bench There are far better options playing week in, week-out

    I wouldn't have Ross Byrne as the replacement 10. Apart from one penalty kick against Australia, what has he shown at international or HCup level?

    I would have also left Stockdale and Larmour at home, and I would not have brought Aki given that he has been dropped from his club team. If Connacht can't gamble with him in a URC game, why should he retain his spot in a 6 Nations game?

    I think Farrell picked his team before the squad sessions. He's not picking his squad based on recent form, therefore, he's screwing over the players who have worked really hard in those A games, or EI tours.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,323 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Wales won ONE match last year, they beat Scotland in Wales by a few points but then went on to lose at home to Italy.

    I can understand posters worrying about this match as if it's some sort of banana skin and with Wales being at home and a new coach bounce there may be an extra caution but if we want to be No1 in the world and have an eye on progressing in the RWC then Wales with it's current players should not be a concern.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    I never ever expect to beat Wales. Ever.

    I was in Croke Park when their GS-winning side beat us, after we had won 7 of the previous 8 matches.

    I was there in the 2015 6N when we thought a new dawn was emerging under Schmidt, and we just couldn't find a way through their defense, and lost.

    They beat us the last time we played in Cardiff.

    Names on a sheet of paper are only part of the story. Form books are out the window. Successes of the previous year are a distant memory. Chaos can galvanize a team. This is their first game under the returning Gatland.

    I just can't understand any "we must smash them or GTFO" mentality.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,425 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Yep. If we don't hammer this welsh team, Ireland are in serious trouble



  • Registered Users Posts: 719 ✭✭✭flatface


    What has earls got to do with the Welsh game?! we should be winning Saturday and I expect we will. I can see the last 10 min of each half going our way. Still confident of a win by more than 7.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,425 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The all blacks at their peak would not be happy unless they put 30 points on this welsh team.

    are we also rans, or are we trying to win a RWC?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭ersatz


    we may not put a big score on them or win by a big margin, which is rare in these games, but if Ireland were coming into this with a creaking team, a terrible record and a coach in situ for a month I’d expect a hammering, even in Dublin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,383 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    Amazing how one particular choice/non-choice of player by the coaching staff can lead to an entirely different set of expectations around a team and how they do in a tournament.

    And next year in an entirely different tournament.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,472 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    And would you have replaced any of those players or just gone with a 30 man squad?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,121 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    I just want a win, don’t care how ugly or dirty just get over the line and build. Heading to Cardiff today, don’t have great memories from last visit (2019).

    i believe we should and can win, but the gatland factor and how they can get up for him can’t be written off.

    Love this time of year, it’s a great tournament.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,586 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    What three wingers would you have taken instead of Earls, Stockdale and Larmour?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭ScissorPaperRock


    I think that's a pretty unrealistic, sensationalist perspective.

    Margins between the top teams are very narrow and, aside from that, there's so much that can happen in the context of a match that can swing the outcome.

    Not saying a strong win isn't possible, but to say that we'd be in 'serious trouble' without one, is a bit mad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,762 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    This right here is absolute garbage. When was the last time that Wales lost by even half that in Cardiff in the 6Ns? Over the last 3 6Ns Wales have conceded on average 1, 1.5 and 1.33 tries at home per game. The most they’ve conceded in 1 game over those 3 years was 3 (vs France in 2020), and France only won that game by 4 points and didn’t even score 30 points, let alone win by that much. They generally only concede 1 or 2 tries at home. And this was post Gatland and Edwards.

    Other than NZ, who they seem to have a big problem with, no other side in the world has come close to a 30 point win in Cardiff in years. It just doesn’t happen (unless you’re NZ where the Welsh just seem to regularly s**t the bed). And it certainly doesn’t happen in the 6Ns.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,644 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Haha some people just can't help themselves.

    This team is selected very much on their Irish form. If certain players haven't broken through into the match day 23 that's down to what they are doing, or rather not doing, in the prep sessions



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I just can't understand any "we must smash them or GTFO" mentality

    There's a weird paradox going on in which the posters who are most convinced that the selections are all wrong and we're not really a top team, are also those who are utterly adamant that we should hockey everyone we come up against and will accept nothing less.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    it was you who referenced him. So for all your use of your favorite expression of living rent free. It would appear there are a few posters on here living free gratis in your head.

    Dragging things across threads because you can’t let go?

    I’m pretty sure if that original post had been reversed in its naked expression of provincialism, you would have had a lot to say about it. Not cheerleading it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,425 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    A weak new zealand team did it to them in Cardiff a few months ago



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,425 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I would have brought in a lot more players. We needed more than 3 10s for example, more than 1 specialist full back, at least 1 more centre, we obviously needed an extra TH Lock given Furlong's injury status..

    There is no limit to the squad size in the 6 nations. There are only a small number of training sessions between now and September. We should have been brining in all the potential bolters into the 6N training camp and put them through their paces to compare them against each other.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,644 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    and in a championship game last year....





  • Registered Users Posts: 24,323 ✭✭✭✭phog


    You're wrong

    My initial post referred to Twitter

    Your response referred to TRK



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭ScissorPaperRock


    I love how people so strongly believe they know better how to structure team environments at most elite level of a sport than an international coach 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,425 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    What? Nobody says we should 'hockey everyone we come up against'. Find a single person who says Ireland will 'hockey' France in the 6 Nations.

    If we are as good as we think we are, we should easily beat this Welsh team

    Nobody is saying Ireland aren't a 'top team' But what has a lot of people worried, is that we are lacking in depth at international level. Not that we don't have the players, but because any of our potential replacements are left out in the cold internationally. Andy Farrell plays pretty much the same team in every tier 1 game unless someone is injured.

    Then he massively rotates for the tier 2 games, A games and 'emerging ireland' tours so it appears like he's giving lots of players caps, but he's giving them caps in games that mean very little, where there is little cohesion and no matter how well players perform in those games, they can never push for inclusion in the test team.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    What potential bolters would we have named?

    I'm struggling to think of any. Farrell has given so many guys a run over the last two years that if there is an untapped well of players out there, I'm not aware of them.

    Doak is maybe the only one but he's had a couple of good games after a very iffy spell.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,425 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I remember 2019. We're making the same mistakes all over again, Picking the world cup starting team 2 years before the tournament starts, and Joe Schmidt was the hailed as the undisputed greatest ever rugby brain at the time



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Dear God, you've totally missed the point. Gatlands mind games don't work with this particular Irish coach.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Doris, Keenan, Lowe, Hansen, JGP, Dan Sheehan. All guys who got their debut under Farrell and are now in the first 15. That’s not leaving players out in the cold.

    Lowe himself, POM, Earls, Conan, Murray, Stockdale, Larmour. All guys Farrell has dropped from the starting 15 at one point or another.

    Post edited by aloooof on


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