Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

There is a very heavy Ukranian immigrant population in Killarney…

hotels in summer now are in many decent establishments… 200-300 a night….it was a fraction of that prior to this carry on I booked four nights for my folks…

if this continues … the general tourism sector is fûcked, gonna hit the wall…

you are going to see refugees in competition with each other and Irish citizens….

It is so obvious that there is a scramble to control the narrative. I’m sure the media have been briefed about how important it is to keep a lid on any hint of questioning the asylum system in Ireland.

“Local heroes” and social media influencers being paid from taxpayer’s money to gaslight the obvious fact that the government have destroyed a quarter of a century of generally positive sentiment to immigration by their complete incompetence.

The process for asylum and inward migration has not worked for the least twenty years.

The same dysfunctional process was hardly going to start correcting itself when put under the pressure of scale.

The process needs a new swim lane titled “illegal immigrant” and then the associated task list to resolve that volume ASAP.

Difficult to know what constitutes a crisis situation within the powers that be circles. It’s also impossible to see a solution coming from the people largely responsible for not correcting a dysfunctional process in the first place.

The very first time migrants and temporary hotel accommodation appeared in the same sentence it was time to trigger a process redesign. It was flat wrong of M Martin to offer Ukrainians a misleading pledge which could not be delivered on.

We could have supported them with money to go locations who can provide accommodation we can’t. Alternatively we could has said apologies to the EU socially housed migrants sorry you need to return home we need to allocate that accommodation to Ukrainian refugees.

Any naturalised refugee who returns to the country they claim to have fled from for a holiday at a very minimum should rescind their social housing and welfare entitlements immediately.

Access to welfare needs to be linked to a history of employment taxation payments. If the current working assumption is 99% plus illegal migrants will get a PPS number in less than five years there’s no option but to change the “access to welfare” criteria.

The population globally will increase by 2 billion in twenty years - focused largely in the poorest areas likely to see the worst impacts of global warming. This fact based acceptance at and EU level in step one then step two is how to support the people is those developing countries to create a situation that offers life in that country.

People migrating into EU countries with no marketable skills will either live on welfare or crime because a low paid job will not sustain a family in the current economic cycle. The Roma population as an example who reputedly numbers in excess of thirty thousand - how are they sustaining themselves here since their arrival?

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Jesus Christ Almighty, this is sheer madness. The country will be destroyed without a doubt. It's becoming a giant, open doss house.

I know there is something just not right going on. It was right for Ireland to do our bit to help those Ukrainians that we could help in the first days of the war when Russia rolled in there - what was happening in Ukraine was pure evil, literally demonic stuff. But what's happening now, is a totally different story.

Somebody from Georgia for example is not a refugee. They're a person who doesn't like living in a hybrid regime or wants a better standard of living. Stop calling them refugees.

Look at the historical images of refugees:

You will see emaciated, haunted looking people in rags dragging meagre possessions on a cart. You will see women with small children, you will see the elderly. Pathetic, sorrowful columns struggling to reach the nearest border.

Look at current images of non-Ukranian "refugees":

Overwhelmingly young men documenting their merry journey on their pricey iPhones. They are well fed; they are better dressed and groomed than the average Irish man. Any in Ireland will have bypassed at least 14 safe jurisdictions to find the softest touch: a country that does not take its security seriously.

Their passage and presence is characterised by fraud, criminality, grotesque entitlement and violence.

It's an immoral scam and I'm glad public opposition to it is becoming overt.

The situation is now so desperate that the silent and silenced majority are slowly finding voice.

This is the nux of it! People are not marching and protesting JUST because 120 migrants are being put in their town, in their community halls. People are getting angry at being tarred as "racists and right wingers"....when they are just concerned citizens. Support is growing by the day for the anti-immigrant movements and the Government and media are playing right into their hands.

The more people are tarred as Right Wing, the more angry they are getting and the more the movement is going to grow. This is causing a massive divide between the ordinary middle ground person and this Government. Ordinary people who usually support this Government are getting angry. We are being smeared by Leo Varadkar only yesterday saying "we need to do more, Irish people can do better"!! Who the hell is he to lecture us??

Every single time Government is criticised across media in the last week, (Andrea Gilligan on Newstalk, Clare Brock on the Tonight Show, Aine Lawlor on RTE) the presenters IMMEDIATELY change the subject, defend Government or go to an ad break! Its shameful but its not going to work, this is growing legs day by day and it cannot be ignored. Pat Kenny on Newstalk is the ONLY one sticking his head above the parapet and asking serious questions now about where this is going!

And the who knows how many from just poorer countries that will come once they have figured out that you just rock up and you get let in regardless. Where do you draw a line when you have a government that promotes a free for all?

Avoiding the question. Bury Ireland’s head in the sand. Unsurprising.

Things will be fine has long as the corporate taxes come in. That is temporary and we are actively destroying other industries such as tourism and agriculture. We are purposely creating the conditions for an economic crash and the next time the IMF are in town they may not be so nice.

I just did a quick check for Killarney.

250 - 350 midweek, 4 stars, 3 nights for a couple.

So not "all gone" is it in reality?

No one has issues with Brazilians coming here for education (work reasons).

No one has an issue with Filipinos coming here to help out with the NCT backlogs.

People have an issue with undocumented people coming in here.

Why don't the government just let all these people apply for work visas, and make sure they have 15k in their bank account , can house themselves before they arrive? Show they have leases sorted for themselves etc. As long as they have valid papers, no criminal record then people wouldn't have an issue.

Then we can help the genuine asylum seekers.

But the Green party shouting for local councils to provide community halls etc to house undocumented mainly males are living on another planet. And it's not far right or racist to object, or is it?

I never said what I want.

I said the midweek, off season, 3 night break deals, that hotels used use to keep ticking over during winter are no longer there.

Thanks for proving my point.

how would that work? would the sports centres, conference facilities, arts & student centres be used for sleeping at night for refugees or asylum seekers and then cleared out every morning to be available for local community use? Rinse and repeat - set up hundreds of temporary beds every night, clear everything away next day so normal Community activities can happen?