Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

You'll have to use Google yourself there and see.

We will file that under horseshit so, plenty of that in Killarney!

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Its not surprising that local communities are protesting at the ever increasing strain being placed on community services.

Yet some posters on here think that anyone who protests is a racist or has far-right tendencies. Some cheek, rubbishing other citizens and using that kind of language to shame people into accepting anything thrown at them.

Do you think screaming outside a police station demanding some feral scum to be released is a legitimate form of protest?

Is threatening to burn women and children out of their accommodation a legitimate form of protest?

Do you think blocking and abusing a man who is trying to get his wife to dialysis is a legitimate form of protest?

Is calling a woman trying to get work a "Fúcking Slut" a legitimate form of protest.

Is planning permission for change of use, not needed for all of this?

ceded complete control of the country to global interests

Which ones, names please?

Could you point where I attacked "anyone who criticises asylum seekers for committing crimes".

There’s a group in the North West who were planning an open meeting in an hotel. Some of their followers are a bit nuts but as a group, they are advocating adult conversations where everybody gets a say. Local councillors were asked to come along to the meeting but have been ignoring the calls & emails. Local businesses were asked too. An official representative of the approx 900 Ukrainian community would also be attending.

The meeting has now been cancelled as the organisers were contacted by the hotel who have said that a local councillor had threatened the hotel with boycott if they allowed the meeting to be held there. The conversation with Ocean fm is about 8 minutes long

https://www.oceanfm.ie/2023/02/02/threats-of-boycott-leads-to-cancellation-of-ballyshannon-refugee-meeting/?fbclid=IwAR1v8v3pdPHV9_NxloUt-gYDVuBZnNWJR3bau8jKrQuXdZlYz4NvWcXGtXg

What are peoples thoughts on this? My personal opinion is that this would have been a far better way to discuss all issues and work out (as an entire community) the best way forward rather than street protests that create an us vs them situation. Councillors threatening a long established hotelier with boycott makes me think that the councillor is making money off the crisis and used his position to shut down any opposition. It’s definitely not democracy in action.

The media's reaction, in particular the Irish Times has been extremely telling. Today they have at least three articles on how Ireland has had a long standing widespread latent racism problem - something which is observably complete and total nonsense.

Over the last 20 years, there has been an absolute transformation in the amount of foreign born people living here, from all over the world, all races and there has never been any widespread protests like this before. The last time we had anything, it was the citizenship referendum where again it was a response to people taking the piss arriving heavily pregnant in order gain residency - abusing a well meaning but ill thought out provision from the Good Friday Agreement. We have people coming here taking the piss again so that's driving the response.

The government has only itself to blame here for this mess. We've been in a housing crisis for what feels like five or six years now and it's only getting worse. The government have repeatedly said that they cannot build to ease pressure but somehow were able to deploy modular housing for Ukrainian arrivals? It hasn't been able to explain why this is the case, nor has the media pushed them on it.

Equally the government changed policy on direct provision and work meaning that once you turn up here, you get immediate accommodation and a future promise of own door housing and the right to work in six months. It's the kind of support not offered to an ordinary Irish person, someone getting by in blue or indeed white collar work. And it's the kind of support that's ripe for abuse.

A claim in one of the articles that the author justine McCarthy makes is that the media has been careful to for inflame right wing rhetoric (One has to note that it has not been nearly as careful when it comes to far left rhetoric, with plenty of extremists on that side routinely getting air time). While being careful is laudable, it has turned into gatekeeping with any kind of story that is negative towards arrivals buried or minimised - see citywest riot, three injured and sent to hospital, minimal coverage little detail. Compare that with the Ashtown camp attack. No injuries, but a weekend as the top story on the IT. No endless column inches dedicated to the woman in Killarney getting harassed either - it's the kind of thing that would normally attract a lot of newspaper comment pieces.

Personally I'm tired of the infantilism and narrative shaping engaged in by our media as a whole. It has left the door wide open for bad actors to fill the gap and that includes rumour and wilful misinformation as well as some actual hard realities that are not reported by the mainstream.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/508558211156697/?ref=share

The bit nuts opinion based on knowing a few of them rather than the page.

Equally the government changed policy on direct provision and work meaning that once you turn up here, you get immediate accommodation and a future promise of own door housing and the right to work in six months

There has been no enacted policy change on DP, it's still there worse than ever..

The right to work was deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in 2018, so our governance were breaking the law, surely you wouldn't be advocating a continuous of that?

Own door housing was part of a larger integration suite of measures to give families who have been granted refugee status a far better chance of integration into the community. They would also pay rent towards the home, a notion that would turn the blood cold of some our hero protestors I know.

The same policy document aimed to bring decisions on claims to 4 months or at the most 6 months, with all asylum seekers spending this time in newly built and staffed reception centres, as well as beefing up IT, border security and the mechanisms to deport people who were deemed not suitable.

People reducing the overall paper to "own door housing" derpa derpa, is as remedial as it is frustrating.

"Im tired of the Irish being treated like garbage in our own country- eye watering taxes in return for non existent services. While billions are squandered on ungrateful “refugees” put up in hotels all at our expense. Time has come to say enough".

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120194710/#Comment_120194710

I think that posters comment is summing up the mood of the country at the moment, goodwill has ran out and it's not coming back.

In the immediate to medium term; all the benefits being handed out need to stop; there is no good reason why Ukrainians in hotels get full dole, child benefit etc - at that rate they are doing a lot better than EU citizens in low paid employment with bills to pay - It's madness and it needs to stop.

Longer term; a referendum on migration policy is needed.

Ireland has an opt out of the EU Directives on this - we should exercise that opt out - at least until the situation is under control.

Make Ireland pragmatic again!

A referendum on migration policy would be hugely divisive - but would be welcomed with open arms by the Irish far right and various hangers on. A divisive and cantankerous referendum about refugee policy and immigration would be like all their Christmases and birthdays come together. They would spin it that immigration was the No.1 issue facing the country ahead of the housing crisis, the cost of living crisis, the health service problems, Brexit, climate change etc.

I haven't forgotten anything, unlike most people I have actually read the white paper.

The Department of Justice is committed to implementing the key recommendations in the Advisory Report to reduce processing times of both first instance decisions and appeals to 6 months respectively

Not every case goes for judicial review.

I agree with you though the whole document is aspirational, own door accommodation at the moment is not just aspirational it's not possible.

But the policies by in large are good.

I'd advocate for a constitutional referendum if necessary.

On what? The right to work?

Why in the name of Jesus would anyone do that?