Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Might be better for our hospitals if our doctors and nurses weren't given such free passage elsewhere as it goes.

I noticed you ignored my comment how they are detained, not bussed to somewhere and then given free reign of the country.

I take it you don't have a TV or radio in the house!

I did not once say it’s directly the blame of anyone decision let alone refugees. See though, you have proven nothing can be discussed on this topic publically because fellas like you just lean on buzz words and bleeding hearts.

Here’s a few areas the country is falling apart in for your reference:

• - Housing, both ownership and rent.
• - Wages + cost of living(power, fuel, food, etc)
• - Health, waiting lists, staffing, beds, ambulances
• - military, staffing and wages

bringing in thousands more people into a nation struggling in so many areas will always have an impact, quantifying that is another story.

Can you explain how thousands of economic migrants would not have an impact on the pressures on the housing market?

I am all for bringing in skilled laborers and professional in sectors where they are needed.

You know very well throwing the barn door open to people with no skills is what’s actually happening though.

Your right, except what we actually need are skilled trades. Trades that do not exist( or operate anywhere near the same standards) in many of the countries many of of the economic migrants come from.

It's very simple, far moreso than we are making it.

People coming from Ukraine - fair enough, let them in, do everything we possibly can to support them. Spend what we need to spend and make what space we possibly can. I have seen crustys arguing on Twitter that making them a special case "demonstrates our casual racism", but I think that's a load of b*llocks. They're a European democracy weathering an invasion - all of Europe has a responsibility to help them, particularly civilians fleeing.

Everybody else coming through the asylum system gets put into specialized and professionally run centre's of far higher quality than the current Direct Provision centres until their claim can be processed, which we should be doing far more quickly than we are currently doing. It should be decided in a matter of weeks, not months or years. We need to know who you are, why you're fleeing, what age you are (and test it where there is even a single doubt in someone who looks adult but is identifying themselves as a minor), do you have a history of criminality. Pass the assessment and you should be supported to live, integrate and work here. Failure to elaborate or cooperate in determining any of the above and you're on the first plane back. Engage in any criminality while here at any point while a guest of the State before gaining citizenship and you are immediately deported back to point of origin. If your asylum claim is rejected you get exactly one appeal before deportation.

It should go without saying that anyone who arrives here having destroyed travel documents en route gets sent on the first plane back to where they came from - no ifs and no buts.

The current ridiculous system doesn't serve anyone including those genuinely seeking asylum, and failure to weed out the pis$takers quickly is unfair on the genuine applicants.

As for general immigration - free movement for EU Citizens, strict Australian style skills-based immigration system based on the needs of our jobs market for everyone else.

No such history even though our ancestors were in the thick of it in the days of the British Empire? It wasn't just the Anglo-Irish who were involved.😛

It has been said that the Irish won the Empire, the Scots and the Welsh administered it, and the English lost it.

We are in agreement there then.

I wonder are figures kept for those who come in and end up in employment or otherwise positively contribute to the exchequer. That would put all this to bed very easily.

Is it though?

Do most people even care?

Most of us were never immigrants, and as individuals, we've the right to self determination. We won't be shamed because the Irish of the past moved to other nations, as they aren't us. It's beyond ridiculous too that you think that we both owe a debt because of ancestors, and not just that, that it's some kind of endless debt with no limits. We must take in the whole world and destroy our nation because of the past, with absolutely no sense applied. You can keep repeating yourself, do it everyday, but it won't change a thing, we're not going to just sit back and submit because of what some Irish people once did.

Never said we owe a debt because of our ancestors.

I said immigration to and from our country has benefited Ireland.

And it has.

I love living in this country.

Our nation is not destroyed or being destroyed.

Not gonna sit back?

What ye gonna change?

We’ve never had it so good.

Go to other countries and see what they’re like.

We’re not sitting on the ashes though, are we?