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You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Given that Cuba is, as yet, the only communist state to have legalised same sex marriage, same sex adoption etc. Where would you rather live as an LGBT person. In a communist state or a right wing state such as the UK which was given as an example of a right wing state here?

    Right wing countries like Sweden and the UK have been more progressive in terms of LGBT rights than left wing countries.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Women are nazis now. The woke left have gone absolutely insane. Poison



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,815 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Illegal immigrants are coming from countries where they hate lgbt people.

    They hate them far more than irish people.

    They hold extremely right wing views against lgbt people.

    Why are you in favor of allowing these people into Ireland considering you are very vocal on here about protecting them.

    Is it only irish terfs with right wing views that are bad and illegals with right wing views are good?

    Why do you support illegals with right wing views coming into Ireland?



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,468 ✭✭✭francois




  • Registered Users Posts: 24,073 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Being against the insanity of free gender idealogy doesn't automatically make a person right wing.

    I know people from across the spectrum that think its damaging, anxiety inducing and nuts.

    And writing off people who oppose your views as TERFs is just a stonewalling failure to face up to legitimate concerns and arguments. Besides, I know folk who would be against liberal gender identity who are in no way feminists either. Stop labelling people!



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,506 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    "The reporting about refugee issues in the Irish Times is so dishonest its hard to believe this is our national broadsheet."

    Surely you can post some info disproving it? Because so far, nothing posted in this thread disproving it? Not yet done in this thread, so please summarize if you would once you provide links or other sources?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,726 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'll take the Irish Times over people desperately trying to pretend there's no far right any day to be honest. I've seen no indication that they've been deliberately dishonest.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭optogirl


    How are terrible government failures the fault of refugees?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,726 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You've dumped a group of links and just repeated your claim.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Their own journalists are making up stories. They’re fully invested in this and they don’t care what they have to do to sway public opinion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,630 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users Posts: 10,665 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    how about getting a different government rather than the whole give out to migrants so they 'get the message'?



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,926 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Starts off post about boogeymen - goes on tear about Wokes



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,926 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    What does the US Constitution say a woman is?

    Is this zombie Republican talking point still infecting your brain?



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,630 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I haven't really contributed here this week but dropped in a few times and saw the debate was still mostly stuck on talking about the extremes. Saw plenty of the usual takes in relation to this of course.

    But again, that isn't the point of the post, it is relevant, in some cases more than others, and the actions of extremists (particularly on the right clearly and obviously) continue to be an issue plenty people have to deal with.

    But that isn't what most people have to deal with. Most of the issues outlined in the OP; Brexit, access to medical care, confidence about the future of the planet, confidence in the system of selecting those in government, a realistic expectation for people in their 20's etc to be able to plan for a reasonable quality of life, etc are what massively impact people much more people, on a much more consistent basis.

    And all of these have been exacerbated because of right wing ideals.

    Here's another example of this from two tweets I noticed yesterday.

    Both in relation to the concern about energy prices, and the impact of non-sustainable use of energy sources, the right wing views on this topic have and continue to create issues for people whereas the Left generally looks for ways to try to make decisions and choose directions in the best interest of all in society, not just those who have contacts or power to dictate strategy.

    In the UK news this week, I saw a story about how GP practices are being privatized, which is part of the intended outcome of the Conservative strategy to undermine and weaken the NHS to the point of failure. In the US, a story broke about a cancer patient having success on a particular treatment and the insurance company deciding to not cover it because of the cost and how the insurance broker and company nurse laughed when the decision was made.

    In the US, yesterday, the bag of nutcases that is the GOP brought a resolution to the floor asking people to denounce socialism and also voted to remove a Muslim woman from the Foreign Affairs Committee because she suggested big money had a role in US support for Israel, meanwhile, a woman who previously spoke about funding from Jewish organizations were connected with lasers and wildfires in California that were killing, was stating in a committee hearing on which she sits that a school in Illinois was receiving $5.1B for teaching CRT.

    There is overlap between the extremes and those who claim to be closer to the center but the point still stands, what negatively impacts most people today (in our societies) are mostly built on the basis of right wing ideologies.

    In focusing on extremes, you continue to do what the first part of the thread title states. (I know some people realise this and it is specifically done to deflect the focus once again, plus ca change.)

    P.S. Shout out to Matt Gaetz for keeping a straight face while attempting to introduce legislation this week to have the pledge of allegiance recited before every House Judiciary meeting when he and his online supporters will be bleating on later about the dangers of indoctrination later like MTG was doing as she made a fool of herself.

    P.P.S. Remembering that Gaetz is being investigated for sexual offences against a minor was just one more WTF moment as I typed that.



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    100% agree there. They’re just people trying to get the best for themselves like any of us.

    Government policy is where the anger should be directed.

    As for the NGO’s and those making a profit off this crisis, there’s a special place in hell for them.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,726 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,926 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    What are 'woke people' and why is their existence 'sad' to you?



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,073 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    It concerns me that labelling people as far right, or woke or indeed TERF or whatever has actually become a badge of honour for many of them, on all sides.

    We'd be far better off treating people according to their behaviour.

    'Woke' people are easily ignored. Its as easy as switching off a radio. They never have the courage of their convictions anyway.

    But these anti-migration agitators are breaking the law in many cases and they need to be tackled head-on, on that basis.

    Carey has been now. Others must follow. They aren't martyrs, they're just attention seeking scumbags. Dole scrounging d*ckheads and cowards who have watched too many Andrew Tate videos and haven't had the ride in about 9 years.

    Its time, on all sides, to move from the 'f*ckaround phase', to the 'find out' phase and to deal prohibitively with these tulips, who threaten and incite others to carry out harm.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,926 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Dissonance much? You throw the term around, answer the question.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,665 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    if we keep voting for the same eejits, no it wont. heres an idea - vote for someone else. the irish government decide how many people they can take - its not a number the EU tell them.


    The problem is WE vote in eejits, THEY **** it up and then people blame immigrants. Why? Because people dont want to blame their own stupid voting decisions.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,726 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You couldn't provide a definition in your own words? I've no interest in the text dump.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,665 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    otherwise you'd support the crap we currently have?



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,073 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    What makes you think ANY alternative Government in Ireland would repudiate the Dublin Agreement?

    It certainly won't be one with Sinn Féin in it anyway, they've been banging the Palestine drum for 40 odd years now and although rank hypocrisy is a well worn SF pastime, I think that would be too much even for them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,665 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    "The “Dublin” system operates on the assumption that, as the asylum laws and practices of the EU States are based on the same common standards, they allow asylum seekers to enjoy similar levels of protection in all EU Member States."


    you say SF will want to change that? Do you want that changed? Should they be locked up for your liking or wtf are you trying to say?



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,073 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I'm saying they absolutely will not, in a response to someone suggesting that only a vote for someone else will change the current situation.

    It won't.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,665 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    good. I wouldnt want them to change the fact that migrants have rights. you do it seems? Voting for someone else though changes how its managed and how many we agree to take. that might help the issue



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