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Nissan Leaf

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,815 ✭✭✭creedp


    I'll mention to garage although I'm not sure whether using leafspy is something they would appreciate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,815 ✭✭✭creedp


    Just to follow up. Got the battery checked and surprise, surprise its fine! After hanging around for an age, I got presented with a printout saying battery had lost 3 bars but was otherwise healthy. So I know no more than the dash display already told me. I asked about the voltage variation and if this could be caused by weak cells but was told no way of knowing as they can't see behind top level health report. So it looks like I have to stick or twist with the car. Would love to hang on a bit longer and hopefully pick up a slightly more affordable used M3 but the ever decreasing range is becoming a pain to live with. Having said that the ever diminishing financial status is of even greater concern at present!! I may just have to wait until eldest flies the coup and I can consign the 7 seater to the history books.

    While I was there I took a 2018 L40 for a spin. Wasn't too bad an experience, although it was so easy to spin the front wheels, which might be somewhat due to the shite already forgotten Chinese brand tyres. The dash screens are getting really dated looking now as well, they really should have upgraded the from the L24/30 models. The one pedal driving was a bit strange at first but you would get used to it pretty quickly. However I couldn't see myself dropping €27k on a 5 year old model with 106k on the clock (couldn't believe they were looking for €42k for a 2021 L60) Leafspy showed that battery at 88% SOH which was better than expected, certainly a lot better than the 71% of my 2 year older L30. In any case my experience with the L30 battery means that I wouldn't buy another Leaf unless it was an unmissable bargain which no car is these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    I wonder are you giving in too easily? I'd be pressing the idea that the battery is at 70% and you want a warranty claim. Car manufacturers can be like insurance companies when it comes to paying out.... they try to fob you off first to see if you give up easily and if you dig in and and keep hassling they will pay out eventually.... I think you need to dig it.

    The warranty is clear enough... 70% and you are right on that.

    They are just chancing it by giving you that nonsense report, which doesn't detail the SoH % ... I wonder why! 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,815 ✭✭✭creedp


    I'll have another chat with him but he was pretty adamant there was no warranty issue to pursue as car had only lost 3 bars. I think I'll push the leafspy data harder this time although I doubt he knows too much about leafspy tbh.

    BTW Ive just realised how ridiculous that nearly €43k price is for a 2021 SV premium L60 given that the new list price after grant is €42,300. Similarly paying €27k for a 5 year old L40 SV with 100k km on clock is crazy when new price is €33k. Either I'm completely out of touch with reality or there must be fair riggle room built into the pricing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    You can buy a 2023 Tesla Model Y or a Niro EV for €46k, so €43k for a 2021 L60 is ridiculous alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    I'll have another chat with him but he was pretty adamant there was no warranty issue to pursue as car had only lost 3 bars.

    3 bars lost means its down a minimum of 15%+6.25%+6.25%=27.5% but could be as much as 33.75% as it could be just about to drop the 4th bar.

    The warranty is 70% remaining so the warranty actually kicks in BEFORE that 4th bar disappears. You are right on that now, so he needs to acknowledge that warranty is in play here. As I said, dig in. Dont take no for an answer. If you get no satisfaction tell him you want to talk to Nissan Ireland and then state your case directly to them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 488 ✭✭Metalpanic


    I got a 182 L40 SVE in November for a lot less than that. Half the mileage too. There is plenty of wriggle room if you play it right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 476 ✭✭Gile_na_gile


    A Leaf SV Premium with the 62kWh should not cost you more than 35k, and ideally 30k. Any more than that is inflationary fantasy money. There is a 2021 SVE 62kWH 5000km on DD for the last month for 34-35k EUR, private sale. Also a UK import on Adverts for 29k EUR. As a guide, for an 2021 SV premium 62kWh, pay no more than 33k from a dealer, and 31k private. Even that is generous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,815 ✭✭✭creedp


    Yes those prices seem more realistic. I hadn't been looking at Leaf prices but was amazed to see prices being charged at garage.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The Nissan capacity warranty is based on number of bars remaining (8 or less). The exact percentage as reported by leafspy doesn't matter, it varies a bit anyway, and won't even be visible on their diagnostics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,815 ✭✭✭creedp


    So in your view there is no point pursuing a warranty claim with either dealer or Nissan if I still have 9 bars and leafspy is reporting 71.2% SOH even though the range has fallen off a cliff over last couple of weeks?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Unless there is an EV system fault indicated on the dash (like when there is a sufficiently large discrepency between the cells) Nissan can't/won't do anything if you still have 9 capacity bars showing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,604 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Sorry if this has already been mentioned but I may as well raise it for potential Leaf buyers who plan on using the charging network.

    Chademo chargers (the fast charger for Nissan Leafs) are beginning to be phased out worldwide. Why TF Nissan continued to use them baffles me. The CCS brand is being pushed (for comparison think of USBC chargers as a universal standard and CrApple finally being forced to adopt them).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,815 ✭✭✭creedp


    Tbf to the dealer, he acknowledges that chances of success are slim but he said he will put through a goodwill claim to Nissan and see what happens. As I said the main issue is the unpredictable nature of the battery remaining % displayed in that a regularly made journey can take anything between 20% and 40% of battery so it's very difficult to have confidence in whether the displayed % remaining will be sufficient to complete a given journey.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That sounds more promising that I thought. Hope the outcome will be good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    We have known this for some time. Beggars belief they held onto CHAdeMO for the facelift Leaf when the writing was all over the wall. You can have a CCS installed in its place, but for most people driving the 40 Leaf, the fast charger will rarely be utilised. I find this to be the case in my 24 Leaf. Have used a fast charger less than 50 times in 5 years.

    Stay Free



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    To be fair CHAdeMO is not being phased out, there is a slowdown in new CHAdeMO installs but very few CHAdeMOs being taken out of commission



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 476 ✭✭Gile_na_gile


    I'm sure they'll drop CHAdeMO when the refresh CUV LEAF emerges in 2-3 years (or less?). I wonder will sales of LEAF become impacted now that FB is alive with discussions on CHAdoMO provision. For the moment, it is almost a privileged network as many of the fast 150kw chargers have both standards. Partly because of this, and the opportunity of the great migration of M3->MY, I sold my 62kWh to a dealership and grabbed a pre-refresh 2020 Model 3.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭kennethsmyth


    I thought the warranty was on the 4th bar or 66.25%



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭obi604


    Have a 2014 Nissan Leaf. It has one of the 'foot pedal' parking brakes (where you press with your foot to engage)

    It failed the NCT yesterday, the parking brake was essentially not pulling on the left had side according to the tester. Has an imbalance of 93% 😬

    Will book it in today to be looked at.

    Would anyone have any idea if this is a simple or complicated fix or more so the rough cost?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,815 ✭✭✭creedp


    Just following up on this issue. Still waiting on dealer to come back but I have been keeping an eye on Leafspy and have noticed the 'weak cells' message on a few occasions now, especially when soc is low after a longer trip. See attached one example below. I've also noticed a DTC P31B8 CAN error which Im unclear if related to the weak cells or something completely different. The car drives perfectly except for the reduced range and erratic % battery remaining level, especially when level drops below 50%.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,098 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    I seem to be having the exact issue as yourself. Clearly a problem with the battery. It is dropping rapidly. I'm on 9 bars now and they won't touch the car until 8 bars and are telling me the battery in their eyes is perfectly fine.


    87,000km, SOH 69.92%.


    I'm just waiting for that 8th bar to hit and I will start the warranty process. In saying that the warranty states they only have to return it to 9 bars as far as I know. To me that means they can do the bare minimum to bring it back to 9 bars and wash their hands with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,815 ✭✭✭creedp


    Will be interesting to see how they will deal with your warranty claim. At least you're well within the 160k km warranty so no basis for Nissan fobbing you off. Unfortunately Im now at 162k km but brought this problem to the dealers attention before I hit the 160k km milestone. However, Im not confident of getting any joy from Nissan in my case.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    @creedp : Does the car trigger any faults on the dashboard with the weak sells? That should be enough for Nissan to honour the warranty. I think the key here is if the faults happened before you hit the 160k mark.

    @Jofspring : Do you have the latest HV_BATTERY upgrade as discussed a few pages back? While model year is the car as they have US/Japanese batteries with different firmware.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,887 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Can anyone help this woman fix her leaf. She is asking about sourcing a pdm but she probably needs someone to identify the correct part number and know how to replace it. Car cant slow charge but can fast charge. There is also the risk the dealer is wrong and it could be another charger related fault.

    I think she may need on site support. She has spike on the phone to specialists who have said she needs to source her own pdm...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,815 ✭✭✭creedp


    No faults triggered on dash. Other than the erratic reduction of the battery remaining % the only indication of a problem is the weak cells notice on leafspy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,098 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    I was told I do have the latest firmware but to be honest I'm not sure. I asked about the one suggested a few pages back but Nissan told me everything is up to date and there are no outstanding issues, recalls or campaigns for my car.


    When I flagged the rapid decrease in battery that is reported on leafspy they basically said they wouldn't even entertain leafspy as it's not recognised by them. Wait for the battery to drop to 8 and then bring it in is what they said.


    It's very annoying waiting as it will seriously hinder me selling on the car at the moment. Even though my range doesn't seem to be overly affected (110km freezing temperatures, 135km at the moment in milder weather and last summer I was getting 170km in warm weather). I was getting similar with 12 bars. Seeing only 9 bars would put off potential buyers if I did want to sell though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    When I flagged the rapid decrease in battery that is reported on leafspy they basically said they wouldn't even entertain leafspy as it's not recognised by them. Wait for the battery to drop to 8 and then bring it in is what they said.

    I suppose it is fair enough that they wont recognise Leafspy. Its not a Nissan app, however, they have access to the same data so they can see the issue as well.

    The dealer will just follow Nissan's guidance. The dealer wont get paid for doing unapproved work so its Nissan corporates fault not your dealer really. It does sound like you have time on your hands though in terms of a warranty claim so hopefully you get a good result. A few rapid charges might speed things up a bit for you if you want to speed it along! 😉

    Does LeafSpy actually show you have a weak cell(s)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,815 ✭✭✭creedp


    Thats pretty good range for 69% SOH TBH. Mine's at 70.5% SOH and lucky to get 100km at present even on a single journey driving at extreme granny speed, approx 95 kph indicated (less than 80kph GPS). If I do a number of shorter journeys range could drop as low as mid 80s.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Does your car show the "Low Battery Warning" really early (our 30 kWh model with 80% SOH at about 17%) and then just drives for ages without the battery depleting towards the "very LBW". That may be an indication that the battery health is actually much better in reality than what the BMS shows and that's what the HV_BATTERY upgrade fixes. That was how ours used to work when we bought it last year with the old firmware version.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,098 ✭✭✭Jofspring


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,098 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    Not sure really. I can't say I know how to read the cells to be honest. I was just going by the SOH and how fast it's been decreasing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,098 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    Ya that's why I'm not sure what's up. The estimated range actually seems to be pretty ok, it's just the bars and SOH keep dropping. Something is being mis-read somewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,098 ✭✭✭Jofspring



    The low battery warning usually kicks in around 20%. It can move down very quickly from there. I rarely go that low though, I need the car pretty much 100% every day most of the year so would charge it up when it gets to about 40%. I've driven it to 0% once, car was still going for about 2km at 0% but I was home then and wasn't going to take the chance to see how much further I could go at 0%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,815 ✭✭✭creedp


    Pretty much a mirror image of how I manage my charging. Given that 50% SOC could yield less than 40kms, I will always charge to full every time the SOC goes below 60%. My low battery warning kicks in at 19% and then drops very rapidly to 6% and then the dreaded '--' appears but the car seems to go on for a fair bit after that until the turtle warning appears. I never risk driving it to real zero to see what kind of buffer exists at that stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭cannco253


    Email received today


    NissanConnect EV services will be temporarily unavailable


    Dear x


    NissanConnect EV Services will undergo essential maintenance during the upcoming months, commencing in April.

    This will take place in stages and during these maintenance periods, you will experience disruption to NissanConnect EV services.


    You will be notified about upcoming maintenance periods in the NissanConnect EV app and on the connectivity portals.

    Once the maintenance period is completed, services will resume.


    We apologise for the inconvenience and thank you for your understanding.


    If you are unable to access NissanConnect EV services once the maintenance period concludes, please use the feedback form below to contact your Customer Services Team.


    Kind Regards, Nissan Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Anything to watch out for when buying a 2nd Gen Leaf, except for battery health?

    Looking at 2019-2020 models

    I assume the more quick charges it has the worse off the battery is but what even is a low amount of quick charges?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    There are a lot of mixed reports out there because it is the internet, but is it possible to check for battery health on leaf 2019 and newer leaf models using the steering wheel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Yes it has a bar chart from 0 to 1 and that shows the health.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭claw


    Hi, is anyone having a problem with the Nissan EV app. It won't let me log into it. Never had any problems with it before.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Hah, I tried to refresh the charge status this morning and it was on the blink. I killed the app and it worked afterwards.

    It has been quite ok recently. They did some work on the backend in the last few weeks but the reliability of the Connect continues to disappoint



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,041 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    You're lucky to never have had issues with it before.

    It's not the most reliable of apps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭jasonb


    Just curious, how often do people get the Leaf's service if they're going to a main dealer? I was lucky enough to get a new Leaf last year. The Service Book says every 30,000km or 1 Year, but my Dealer's sticker says every 20,000km or 1 Year. I'll be doing every year anyhow, as I don't hit 20,000 in a year, but I'm curious about which is correct!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Neither. There's feck all to service. It's not an ICE car. The "service" generally consists of them changing the pollen filter unnecessarily and topping up the washer fluid. My own 2014 Leaf needed nothing done other than tyres, wiper blades and a couple of pollen filters. I had a full brake fluid flush done a couple of months ago and was told by the mechanic the old fluid was perfect. Original pads still on the car with plenty of meat, because regen breaking and mostly city driving has been extra kind to it.

    Stay Free



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Testing the brake fluid needs equipment that detects the boiling point and it makes sense to change it regardless of mileage every 3 or 4 years. The only reason why I have used dealer is if the car is new and in warranty (like with the previous new LEAFs or last year when we bought an used one with 7 battery bars remaining and I wanted firmware upgrade and some comeback if the battery fails).

    The dealers want to stick on some random number of km on the sticker (in our case 15k) but Nissan does specify every year/30k km whichever comes sooner. And every 2 years for the brake fluid which is rather often.



  • Registered Users Posts: 283 ✭✭the 12 th man


    Service every 30,000K which is basically a valet of your car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭sonyvision


    I have a loan of a Nissan leaf 40kw, SVE trim. I will possibly have the option of buying this exact car in December as a family member will be trading it in. Living in Dublin but need to drive down the country to family probably every 2nd or 3 weekend. Distance wise is 155km but is all motorway. Am I over optimistic in saying I could get this journey complete at 110kph on cruise control on a single charge in winter? My wife does not like the idea of stopping. In Dublin we have plenty of range, office charging and driveway so I can install my own charger but she thinks I'm mad and want to go diesel.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    SVE is a nice spec! 155 km at 110 km/h indicated (which is about 105 real speed on 2018->) is not going to be a problem.

    In the middle of winter, if it looks tight for example due to a hurricane level winds, would you be able to use the supplied granny charger for small topup which visiting as a backup solution i.e. is there a regular socket somewhere near?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭sonyvision


    The 155km is one way, so it's 305/310 return trip. I'll need to plug it in using the granny cable to charge and I'm always down for at least a day.

    Stopping on the route down which normally takes 1hr 30mins would make the journey longer. Also the stops are limited it is down the m9 motorway. Jumping in the N7 to M9.

    I looked up the cost of the charging at apple Green and Circle K. It's pretty expensive and probably works out the same as my diesel car.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeh, for the low running costs and convenience the key is to home charge and avoid public charging. We never got anything less than 200 km of range when owning a 40 kWh model so you should be totally fine I reckon once you can charge at your destination.

    We had a frequent 180 km return journey, N roads, and even in the depth of winter there was always plenty of range to spare. Going EV will save you loads anyway with those frequent longish trips.



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