Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Your argument jumped the shark somewhere around 'mini China'.

Only a poster profoundly ignorant of China and what a lockdown in China meant as opposed to what we had here could say that.

People supported the restrictions - proof is in poll after poll and broad public support for the measures as a means to protect the vulnerable in society and the health service. The protests against them were a handful of fringe cranks, most of the population wanted no truck with. A lot of people thought we could have opened things earlier, or queried some of the specific measures, but there was overwhelming public recognition that this was an unprecedented situation of threat to public health and the government acted legitimately in responding to it with strong measures.

So the fact that all through it you were posting here querying and opposing the government approach, without any government restrictions being placed on you, is proof positive of the falsehood of your claims about 'mini China'. So well done for that.

There was nothing really new in any of the measures used for covid, they all had historical precedents.

The scale of the covid response is a factor of the increase in global population and speed of communications and national co-ordination and extent of bureaucracy. Nothing more. So to make that the premise of your argument demonstrates a profound ignorance and lack of understanding of historical realities and constraints.

So yeah, they didn't have vaccine passports for travel. They just quarantined the ships 40 days.

You are worried about vaccine passports and schools being closed?

Have a read of this.

In 1563, when plague struck again (as the disease did most years, although some outbreaks were more severe than others), the lord mayor ordered that blue crosses should be attached to doors of houses that held anyone infected with plague over the past week. Inhabitants were to stay indoors for one month after the death or infection of anyone in the building. Only one uninfected person was allowed out of the house, in order to buy provisions for the sick or healing. To mark their health they were meant to carry a white rod, which if they forgot would incur a fine or even imprisonment. In 1539 plague struck London again and houses were to be incarcerated for 40 days – the typical quarantine period stipulated in 14th-century Venice. By 1580 shipping was heavily monitored, and crews and passengers were quarantined either on board their vessels or in the port where they had disembarked. Merchants were kept at the port of Rye and were prohibited from entering the city, and all goods were to be aired in order not to transport infection. Movement was also monitored within the country – travellers into London from outside counties were prohibited if there was known to be plague in their area.

And more on historical use of vaccine passports:

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/08/985253421/the-history-of-vaccine-passports-in-the-u-s-and-whats-new

Reported it as spam? Why?

I got a reminder SMS yesterday from the HSE. I've gotten the first two vaccines and the first booster. I'm in two minds as to whether I'll get the second booster.

But you may want other non-CV19 SMS from the HSE in the future. By marking it as spam, you may not get those.

Yeah there's a clue in your post 'random'. Randomly selected strangers.

It's obvious you don't understand how opinion polls work.

Who said governments were elected by opinion polls? Nobody.

This is deflection and smokescreen,

Opinion polls are reliable within a margin of error.

The margin of support in the polls for restrictions, here and abroad are far in excess of such margins of error.

The margin of support reflected in polls is a broadly accurate reflection of public opinion on the issues. They don't have to reflect the will of every single person in the country, to give that broad indication of support and it's patently absurd to even suggest it.

Only someone who doesn't understand opinion polls or is simply desperate to rubbish them because they don't like the poll result would suggest it.

Your argument hasn't a leg to stand on, you've now had to resort to conspiracy theories about opinion polls.

So yes they are your personal views. And the personal views of the minority. And what have you got to support your claim your views are actually the majority view?

Absolutely nothing except demonstrations of ignorance about how opinion polls work.

Some wonderful news from the HSE, most people in the country have been vaccinated! Table below, p.7 of the following link!

But Waterford is the BEST of all!

In County & Cty of Waterford, over 99.9% of adults have been vaccinated.

Hardly a single elderly bachelor farmer in the hills and the bogs refused to be vaccinated anywhere in Ireland!

But Co & City of Waterford trumped everwhere else in the country: Nary a student, nary an alcoholic, nary a junkie nor a crusty nor a hippy refused to be vaccinated in Waterford. They sure do conform down there!

And good and all as that might be, in some places it seems that more people than actually live in the county must have been vaccinated, because the HSE saw fit to add a disclaimer:

But isn't it great that all the 20-29 year olds in Waterford got vaccinated?

This study showing a very low IFR in the non elderly, which first came out in 2021 and was attacked then as 'misinformation' has now been peer reviewed and published. The 'we didn't know how dangerous it was (or wasn't) ' excuse for lockdowns doesn't really add up, when this info, and more besides, was out there. How many in the below age groups, who were at little risk from COVID, died due to the measures, directly or indirectly? We are still finding out but it's almost certainly way more than ever were 'saved'

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S001393512201982X

It is a study from 2021. Lockdowns started in 2020. So how was the information out there? Some amount of deceptive revisionism going on.

Why doesnt it include the IFR for the groups most vulnerable to covid?

Where are the attacks on it for being misinformation?

Was it actually attacked as misinformation or were people who cited at as the IFR for covid fullstop attacked for spreading misinformation?

The study itself shows a wide range in IFR across countries which seem hard to explain ie should make anyone wary of citing this as actual IFR to be expected in a country.

The IFR as I keep repeating is only one of the equation. The other being the infection rate.

And to state the number of deaths almost certainly exceeds the number saved is entirely without foundation. This article on its own simply cannot prove what you are saying.