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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭cafflingwunts


    Carey is a lunatic and his idiotic, pointless raving should be ignored and not used to describe the rest of the people with good intentions out protesting.

    @.Donegal.

    You've admitted yourself you don't/won't go so how would you actually know what happens other then the very craftily edited 10 second clip of people shout "out, out, out!" that is plastered all over social media?

    It's all a big load of crap anyway, the people will posture, Gov., will do nothing but say a few well thought-out speeches written by some brainbox in the basement of Trinity and we'll all go back to being perpetually taxed to death and slowly squeezed of all joy.

    The only change will come from total and utter annihilation of our country, few nukes do us well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,476 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    You have a very low opinion of our citizens from certain areas which you constantly refer to as feral scum. Disgraceful way to label and talk about Irish people.

    You also suggest that all those protesters are weak minded, racist or have far right views. Also that they are not educated or intelligent enough to realise what is going on in their own communities. What an arrogant offensive attitude you have up there on your high-horse looking down on Irish people.

    They are citizens, voters and tax payers with legitimate concerns and a constitutional right to protest and free speech yet you take nasty swipes at them at every opportunity.

    Criminals and trouble makers are managed by our gardai who acted swiftly last week for individuals responsible.

    Irish people are the most welcoming, tolerant and charitable, and people from all over the world live here guite happily with no problems. Irish people do not support racists and we dont support bigots either.

    You and some other posters should give your aul guff a rest, it is tiresome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,476 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You have a very low opinion of our citizens from certain areas which you constantly refer to as feral scum.

    I have a very low opinion of the feral scum behaving like feral scum in the videos I have seen this week and what those "protests" were based on.

    Strange how anyone would a problem with that. 🤷‍♀️



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Just like migrants getting arrested for crimes, or stabbing or murdering people, the crimes of one do not automatically apply to the many



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    What ‘Feral scum’? The ones with the swastikas that you made up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,476 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You know, criminals, terrorists, domestic and animal abusers, the people on the microphones? And the small crowd cheering them on. That's even before we even get to the facebook bullshít that brought them there in the first place.

    I made no such thing up. I'm hardly going to attend a "protest" with that level of criminal guest speaker. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    If they’re so weak minded and easily manipulated by the “far right”, why can’t the left give a counter argument as to why the asylum system as it currently stands is of benefit to the Irish citizen and why it should be supported. Surely if they give genuine examples of why it’s so important to the country, the weak minded will easily come around to their way of thinking.

    No, instead all we get from that side are insinuations that they’re “far right”, being manipulated, etc. Not one scrap of evidence of how the average Irish person is benefiting to try and defend this madness. And how could I forget “our international obligations”, which have been shot down here by posters as being a load of BS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    He is a taxpayer funded trough feeder much like some posters who spend an inordinate amount of time on these boards constantly telling us all how Far Right we are whilst regaling us with anecdotal stories of how wonderful some of these freeloaders arriving will be, since they know some of them, someone like them, a lad that used to know someone like them, they worked for global org in some country where people like them lived, etc etc etc

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,476 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    If they’re so weak minded and easily manipulated by the “far right”

    Well it's not my opinion, they were there protesting a phantom rapist.

    But but but that's the lefts fault. 😂

    I do wonder how these great culture wars will be remembered.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    And those individuals were arrested and reports are that more arrests will be made. No problem with the gardai doing their job which they do very well. As I said, aul guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,476 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I suppose you can't arrest the crowd for cheering them on, but light is the best disinfectant I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    I’m talking about the protests as a whole. All week, any discussion I saw or heard in the media mentioned how the protesters are being manipulated by the “far right”, as if they don’t know their own mind. How patronizing! But patronize and smear is all they seem to have to try and defend this madness, because they’re sure aren’t any legitimate counter arguments as to why the general public should support this or how it benefits our nation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,476 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I just gave you an example of how they are being manipulated by and cheering on this feral scum.

    There is another one.

    The media are reporting what is happening.

    But but but the meedja! 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,118 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Problem with these protests is that they are often organised by the far right. A message appears all over social media saying "there will be a protest march in such and such a place on Thursday at 7pm" and ordinary people from the area do come along. What they don't realise though is that it was the far right groups who set up the march and heavily publicised it across all channels.

    As a strategy, it is very clever...make it look like all the protests are organic and coming from the ground up, just 'ordinary concerned citizens' and people not realising there are shady and sinister characters with ulterior motives behind the scenes pulling all the strings.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Losing bad you've really run out of things to say now. I’m expecting your next post to say you’re going to tell your mammy on me. Jesus Christ



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    But who are you, or anyone, to say that all the protesters at the various protests are being manipulated into not agreeing with the current asylum system. They can see with their own eyes that not only is it not benefiting Ireland in any way, it’s putting enormous stress our services and resources.

    In fact, I would wonder why anyone with any sense, who cares about the wellbeing of the country does support it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,476 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You are trying to conflate people who want sensible policy with racist Helen whipping up the local unemployable brigade via lies on Facebook.

    People with legitimate concerns don't want anything to do with that level of feral scum or what they stand for.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,390 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Are you implying that the protesters are weak minded? Maybe they need re education or counselling like the US swimming team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,212 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Hear hear. And we wondered how an asshole like trump got elected. Well we have our own home grown knobs here who are doing their best to overturn our democracy. Every one of 100 odd posts to their name gobshytes on here need to be called out for what they are ,Xenophobic racists!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    But where is the manipulation coming into it? People have formed their own opinion from what they can see with their own eyes, and that opinion is that this is not good for the country. They are angry. Angry first of all at what is happening with no benefit in return to the country, and angry secondly that their genuine concerns are not being listened to. Their concerns are being shut down. They're being smeared, patronised, gaslighted, and given no legitimate reason by anyone involved why they should support the current system. That's why they might attend a protest - because they have no voice. 

    I have heard of a few of these extreme nuts actually being asked not to unfurl banners or to not associate themselves with that particular protest, as even a lot of the protesters find these guys unpalatable and want nothing to do with them. Of course they also know one sighting of them amongst a large number of just concerned citizens will instantly turn it into a "far right" protest in the media 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    It seems you have two options:

    1. Deport yourself voluntarily. We will pay for flights, given you a nice little amount to get settled when you return home, whether that be to go into education or start your own business. Once you do return home, you’re welcome to come back at any stage to begin the asylum process again.
    2. Stick it out. You may as well as all your living needs will be paid for anyway. There’ll probably be another amnesty along in a few years, or you’ll get leave to remain on humanitarian grounds. We don’t tend to do forced deportations here anyway.

    In addition, a small reintegration grant is available to all returnees to help cover the costs of an income generating activity, such as education; professional training and/or business set-up.

    ^^ Yep, that’s right. Once you’ve voluntarily removed yourself from the country as your application wasn’t deemed worthy of being granted asylum, we’ll give you a nice little amount of money to get resettled in your OWN COUNTRY 🙄 It really is win/win either way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I don’t think people care at this stage.


    They know what they believe in so the bogeyman of the far right won’t deter them.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think a mass of people all using the same lines are weak minded



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 663 ✭✭✭mykrodot



    UK preparing to quit Human Rights Convention amid warnings of 65K migrants crossing the channel this year! They are not wrong. A little bit too late but better late than never. Can we please do the same here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,476 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Of course they also know one sighting of them amongst a large number of just concerned citizens will instantly turn it into a "far right" protest in the media

    What do you mean sighting of them? They are the main organisers and speakers in the vast majority of them. The small crowds are cheering them on. 😂

    Thugs, criminals, abusers, terrorists and all round feral scum.

    Now there has been a couple of protests I have seen not organised by these dregs, which have been perfectly reasonable if not slightly alarmist. Not one death threat made to anyone. 🤷‍♀️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,118 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It does beg the question as to how spontaneous and organic these protest marches are. Are the marches happening because of genuine anger across the country or because the far right groups and parties (and supporters) are very clever at pulling strings and using social media to push their views?

    If there was genuine anger and concern across the nation about refugees and asylum laws, you expect attendance at these protests to be much, much higher, not just 200 people at a time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,554 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    That was true of the water charges protests - largely initially a far left movement. The same with divorce and repeal. No outcry over that.

    What you are witnessing is elements of radical position becoming mainstream. Why is this happening? Because the problem has been ignored or suppressed for 20 years and the ability for communities to adapt has now reached its limit.

    The counter strategy here is the tried and tested one. Discredit all those protesting as being far right easily led morons. Led by by the nose by extremists. We've seen it in all the papers today.

    But that is just for one side. During the water charges protests there was no such tarring of the protesters as communists - despite leaders of that movement openly espousing for the confiscation and nationalising of the means of production.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,118 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I would still suggest there is an upper ceiling to the level of support for these protests and groups. They may not want to hear it but there is far more concern across the nation about the housing crisis, the health service problems, the cost of living crisis etc....people are not going to get as agitated about things like refugee centres when perhaps 99% of the population don't even live near one.



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