Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

Give us your peace plan ,

To this endless and pointless conflict that's barely a year old

They 'continue to advance' at a rate of ... 0.1 percent. You dont think thats a rather desperate use of statistics?

It is pointless for Russia, sacrificing thousands of men for tiny WW1 trench warfare gains. They can go home whenever they want. Ukrainians are fighting for their homes.

Did you miss all the announcements of advanced western weapons coming to Ukraine? Or is that the reason why you have popped up now?

If you pick out small periods of time they appear to be making small advances. In general they are retreating though. They are also losing their best soldiers and equipment they cannot replace.

Im sceptical that the rumoured upcoming advance will happen. If it does it will be catastrophic for Russia.

The US wouldn't "respond in kind" if you mean nuke Russian cities. The US would be quite likely to destroy all Russian forces in Ukraine and together with NATO countries occupy much of Ukraine- letting the Ukrainian army get on with pushing the remains of the Russian army out of Crimea. China would also withdraw support.

A nuclear attack on Ukraine would be enough to trigger NATO Article 5 because of impact on NATO countries.

The US, UK and France are also entitled, under the Budapest Agreement, to act as it would be a violation of the security guarantees given when Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons.

This is a treaty signed by Russia also.

So it is absurd and requires angels dancing on the heads of pins levels of special pleading to suggest US and NATO would be the aggressors in that situation.

It is like saying Britain were the aggressors in WW2 because they declared war on Germany for invading Poland.

Boxcar, if Putin in a moment of madness orders a nuclear strike of any kind, its end game for him. The Chinese have already told ( ordered ) him to stop ratcheting up the nuclear threats, they are against a Russian Nuclear strike of any size. The US have warned him as well saying that a Nucear strike will mean the total destruction of his Army, Navy and Airforce within a very short time, using conventional weapons.

So your move Vladimir,

Nuclear escalation is not impossible but it's become more remote. The Chinese have signalled to Russia that escalations (a nuclear strike has many "steps" to it) are a red line for them, and Russia is becoming highly dependent on China in light of Western sanctions.

On a side note, if I recall, a US official glibly said in the event of Russia using a battlefield nuclear weapon in Ukraine, it's possible the US would consider wiping out the Russian Black Sea fleet and destroying all Russian forces in Ukraine.

And if the US has told Russia they would respond in kind to an attack on Ukraine then Moscow would know they were guaranteeing their own... thats one way it couled have gone down.

Anyhow you arent up to speed.

You missed the part where they said it would be a massive conventional response.

And no in such circumstances they would not be the aggressors.

And besides China has already told Putin to knock off the nuke talk.

I hope, and expect, that the US has let Putin know that if he uses a nuclear weapon he will be signing his own death warrent. That they will kill him, in other words.

The reality is that the west will basically be powerless if Russia decides to go nuclear in Ukraine.

But of course, they cannot allow the public to know this. It's all propaganda, designed to maintain the illusion of control. They have very little control over the outcome of this war even in conventional terms. If it goes nuclear, it's game over. All the talk of destroying Russian black sea fleets etc etc is just bravado on the part of the Americans. What is to stop the Russians from returning the favour, if they did respond with a massive conventional strike?

And besides, they would never risk a direct NATO attack on Russia, as this could start ww3. And any good general worth their salt knows, if you're going to start ww3, you don't do it with conventional weapons as your first strike. It would be an incredibly dumb first move on a nuclear power, as you would basically be declaring war on Russia who might then retaliate with a nuclear first strike. All of these nations have secret strategies to "win" a nuclear war... as crazy as that notion sounds. And it most certainly does NOT include a first strike with conventional weapons.

Anyone with their head screwed on, knew the moment the yanks came out with this rhetoric, how completely ludicrous it was. But of course, there are quite a lot of clueless people who are swallowing literally anything they're told around this conflict. Propaganda relies on these types of ill-informed people.

Your post is based on what you know and it is NOT BASED ON WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW