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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    With every post your story shifts.

    Earlier you appeared to say they were paying 4 times for lng imports now than before.

    At one point rhubarb was mentioned, or our electricity bills but you still could not provide the source or exact detail.

    Accordingly no one has any idea what you are trying to say or the truth of it.

    Multiple posters have asked you to provide evidence to support your claim and you refuse to do so.

    You can state it all you want, without evidence it has no standing and is highly dubious.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Obviously wasn't listening in the how not to become a human torch class ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,089 ✭✭✭threeball


    The irony of pulling €350k per year for talking shíte whilst complaining about the widening gap between rich and poor seems to be lost on the bould Antonio.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,839 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Who would be your favourite to replace Zelensky, and what should that person do?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭storker


    When Saving Private Ryan came out(fantastic flic as it is) the grandfather of a chap I knew at the time who had actually fought against the nazis back then, saw it, was very impressed, but was equally bemused to find it was an all American win. As he put it with a grin: "I'm surprised they showed the Germans were involved"

    SPR has a number of faults to be sure, but I've never found the above to be one of them. It's (yet another) story about a special behind-the-lines mission, not The History of of the Battle for Normandy. The action takes place in on an American invasion beach, and later in the American sector, with American troops. There is no reason why any British or any other troops should have been portrayed. The British and Canadian beaches were further east, as were the British parachute landing areas. The Brits were pushing towards Caen, the Americans towards St. Lo and Cherbourg. Do people really imagine that platoons of British squaddies would have been fighting alongside American ones? The only place that might have happened (theoretically) was at the junction of the boundaries of different corps and army level formations (traditionally a weak spot and one exploited by Napoleon in Belgium in 1815, for example).

    Later in 1944 Brits and Yanks would have been likely to encounter each other in rear areas such as Paris or Brussels, on en route between there and the front, but in Normandy during the summer of 1944 the rear area was the beach, and each nation had its own.

    A good answer to that criticism would be "Which scenes are the British and Russians missing from?"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny


    The dirt burds marching in Dublin aren't a million miles away from these cnuts either. The leaders are all national party or conspiracy fruitcakes with a longing for power. The rabble are the usual dole scrounging drop outs that found facebook in their twilight years. I've been observing them for nearly a year they'd make ya vomit listening to them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny


    ‘Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.’




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny


    read back from the beginning of the war in this thread it's a brilliant reference system in fairness. then comment again



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    "..Zelensky is the wrong man for the job."😮

    He and the Ukrainian people have made ignoring this war so uncomfortable that nations far removed from Europe have been compelled to help.

    He has rewritten the book on how to lead in the event of a war and how important communication is.

    He's asked for and gotten modern weaponry all the way up to America's most advanced tank.

    And I'm guessing that countries like Taiwan are taking careful notes of his every move.

    I'd like to see your suggestions for who you think is a better man/woman for the job?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Economics? You mean, RuZZia's collapsing economy? Seems the sanctions and price caps (another form of sanction) are hitting and hitting hard:

    "Russia’s budget deficit reached Rbs1.76tn ($25bn) in January as the Kremlin boosted defence spending and western sanctions began to hit the country’s oil and gas revenue."

    "The preliminary monthly figures — the first since western countries introduced a price cap and partial embargo on Russia’s oil last December — mean that the (RuZZian) deficit is already about 60 per cent of the level expected for the duration of this year"

    And it's February.

    Non-paywall: archive.is Y90UA#selection-2049.287-2057.280



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭paul71


    They are/were the political wing of the INLA. Insignificant now yes, but in their day they were a dangerous bunch of murdering filth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    No idea, there's surely someone better than a comedian to be in the position though.

    He's going on about genocide, he will ensure the genocide is successful the way he's going on. No point everyone dying for nothing if all your men are killed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Surely someone better? You think that, the Ukrainians apparently don't. And as you are appear completely ignorant of Ukrainian politics and unable to present a case for any alternative, your claim has no merit or foundation. By someone 'better', this appears to be synonymous to you with, someone better at giving in to Russia.

    You are just repeating obvious Russian propaganda cues here. The dig about him being a comedian. Would a doctor or teacher or accountant or county councillor be any better background at leading a country fighting for its survival in wartime? The people who throw out the dig never explain.

    So it is pretty obvious pro-Russian propaganda when you throw digs at Zelensky for being a comedian and throwing away his men's lives... Yet absolutely zero comment on Putin's conduct.

    There's documented evidence of Russia executing and torturing civilians. That is the peace Russia has in mind. The peace of the grave.

    Ukrainians prefer to die fighting to liberate their country, and they are killing far more of the invaders than they are losing.

    Post edited by odyssey06 on

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,008 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Plenty of people wrote Zelensky off when he was first elected, and you can understand why: A comedian who played the President of Ukraine on a TV show becoming the real President looks like the stuff of Hollywood farce - Dave and Man Of The Year being two movies with similar plots.

    But he has certainly stood up to the challenge; undoubtedly the right person to lead Ukraine at the present point of time, and will go down in history as one of the most outstanding leaders of the 21st century. His entire country is behind him. He has right on his side. He has won the support of the most powerful countries in the world. The only people dismissing him as a "comedian" now are the ones that actually, and rightly, fear him.

    The irony is that it's Putin that has been exposed as the real clown. From an objective point of view, it's hard to argue that he shouldn't be replaced - no proper country would put up with his failings. But Putin has made himself so much part of the myth of Russia that they can't admit to the reality.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    This is one of the most bizarre posts on the his thread, there have been a lot of stupidly crazy posts by Russian supporters.

    Just because someone’s job was something else does not mean they can be good at another. People change careers successfully all the time. It really sounds like he is doing such a great job (which he is) that comparing him to Putin exposes what a shitshow of a leader Putin is. Therefore he must go because he is Ukrainian, and has his country rallying to his call to defend itself. I’m sure you’d rather of he rolled over and left Ukraine to Russia.

    Ukrainians are not dying for nothing. They are dying for freedom, and so that their children won’t be raped, murdered, kidnapped by Russians. Russians are the ones dying for nothing in the tens of thousands.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    More nutty views. There have been multiple attempts to kill Zelensky, he's a number one target for Russia. Putin can be willing all he wants, his soldiers are fighting for money, Ukrainians are fighting for their lives and country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    The ability to express one's self via the medium of comedy is an indicator of intelligence.

    The same can be said of musical creativity. Putin, for instance, would be too stupid to comprehend musical structure.

    How can you not know this?

    I'm surprised you're not convinced he's a drug addict too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,427 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    As a template for your idea that surrendering saves lives and there'll be no further genocide, we'll look at the invaded territories.

    Russia comes in. Has a list straight away of who is loyal to Ukraine. Those people are visited and shot. Then for the remaining population they go through filtration camps. The men are locked in cells and tortured for information. If there's any sign of loyalty to Ukraine even a Ukrainian flag on your phone. They're shot.

    Now put this in a language you may understand.

    Britain invades Ireland. There's a significant English speaking population so they feel compelled to invade. They have a list of people from their informants who would be or who have worked with the Irish state or served with their military (if national service was mandatory this would be near everyone) these people are visited and shot. Then filtration camps are set up with the basis of eliminating anyone who would not agree with the British system and culture. If you've an Irish sounding name you're shot. You are asked if you follow the Church of England. If you don't you're shot. The children of the shot are taken into care to be raised as British and follow the Church of England religion. The Irish are told you are all the one with Britain and Ireland was never a country in the first place.

    You see where this has gone.

    This is Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    I suspect you're trying to imply that "the easy thing was to STAY". Who knows what other points you're misunderstanding?

    Post edited by Curious_Case on


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Putin has been far more successful in killing his own army and destroying his country than Zelensky could ever hope to be. When this is all over and Putin defeated, there will be books written, and movies made about both men, but for the Putin one, it will be about monsters, and the other one will be about hero's and that will be about Zelensky. Cometh the hour, cometh the man, and in the case of Ukraine, that man is Zelensky, savior of Ukraine and the west. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Ukraine is a sovereign, democratic, free country with plans to join the EU.

    Under full Russian occupation, their culture would be dismantled, their national identity would be erased, they would cease to be a democracy, a puppet would be installed (someone like Yanukovych), they would live under totalitarian control, their kids would be forced to learn only Russian (already happening in occupied areas). Their press outlets would be dismantled and replaced with Russian propaganda organs. Their judiciary would be controlled by a foreign power. Their police and security would be controlled by GRU and FSB. Their politicians would be acting on behalf of Moscow, not the people. They would be imprisoned, tortured, murdered and liquidated arbitrarily (like Bucha, Kherson, Borodyanka). This would be perpetual, a Russian servile state, protected by it's nuclear weapons.

    This is why they are fighting, not just for their lives and families, but for future generations and the existence of their country. They've pushed the Russians all the way back from the outskirts of Kyiv. Yet here you are scratching your head why they haven't stopped and decided to bend the knee to Russia. Again, nutty views that show no grasp whatsoever of what's actually going on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Plus Putin having an iron grip on the levers of power, and a long history of murdering or jailing anyone who challenges his authority, with the implicit message to the masse's ( a nice Communist word) that if you step out if line, the same fate awaits you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    Zaluzhny seems to be the one making the decisions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭BKtje


    It's an interesting point. What makes anyone a good leader of a country in a specific time. I would say during war you need someone with charisma, ability to speak publicly with ease and passion. An actor or a comedian would be ideal. Charisma, public speaking and the ability to adapt on message delivery depending on the intended audience.

    He doesn't need to be a tactical genius or a master strategist (he has generals for that), he needs to motivate his soldiers and convince foreign countries and their people to help. Comedians are very good at structuring their message for the audience it's intended for. I think I'd much prefer a comedian than an accountant or lawyer who would maybe get too caught up in the details. I'd be less sure of a comedian in peace time though when the details of running a country might be more important than charisma.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭BKtje


    It is this lobby that will force the Swiss Federal government to act. It's great news and may get them to change their laws and contracts. There is already pressure building from multiple sides and they are looking at making a rapid change to the countries laws to allow the export of arms to Ukraine.

    They are saying that the usual process (approx 4 years) is too slow so advocates of the proposed changes are looking at a short term solution to help Ukraine (an exception until 2025 or something) while the long process (which includes a referendum) is respected.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,802 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Ya think it would make more sense to get outta the foxhole... Then again, they would probably be shot by their own troops.

    Russia have reported to have lost the highest number of soliders in a 24hr period since the war started, 1030. I don't believe it's ever breeched 1000 before. Plenty of new videos coming out with columns of tanks and armor filing single file and being damaged and destroyed.

    If that's how they plan their counteroffensive, they will not get very far at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭storker


    Putin has been far more successful in killing his own army and destroying his country than Zelensky could ever hope to be.

    I suspect the the 2022 invation of Ukraine will be added to the list of miliatry blunders and will be up there with Market-Garden, the Charge of the Light Brigade, etc. as an example of what not to do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Sorry for the Yahoo link, but interesting views from Swiss politicians on their neutrality question

    "The leader of the center-right FDP party, Thierry Burkart, has submitted a motion to the government to allow arms re-exports to countries with similar democratic values to Switzerland.

    “We want to be neutral, but we are part of the western world,” said Burkart.

    He added that Switzerland should not support Russia.

    "We shouldn't have the veto to stop others helping Ukraine,” he told journalists."

    “If we do that, we support Russia – which is not a neutral position.”

    Reuters writes that Swiss social democrats and green liberals adhere to a similar opinion."

    "On Feb. 5, Sotomo published a poll that showed 55% of respondents in Switzerland are in favor of allowing weapons to be re-exported to Ukraine. Pollsters note that if this question had been asked before the war, the answer would probably have been less than 25%."



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,008 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa



    People who don't understand leadership think that they guy at the top should be making all the decisions. True leadership is giving the experts space to act, and binging them all together under under one common aim. Inspiring people, not instructing them. The last thing Ukraine needs is some melomaniac who thinks he's a 5D chess super-strategist making all the decisions and mucking up at every available opportunity, with no-one being able to tell him he's wrong. And thankfully, they don't have that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    There won't be a future generation if they're all put through the meat grinder. You already have "future generations" who have left Ukraine and will never return.

    This war won't end soon. I can still see it being going in 5/10 years time, similar to Syria. It'll just be accepted that there's continuous fighting in Donbas.

    Ukraine will not be able to enter the EU as their borders are not secure.



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