Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

08-02-2023 1:54pm

As this thread has gone completely off the rails, I might as well throw this in!

No discussion about global population trends is complete without examining the "mouse utopia" experiment.

Many of the traits that emerged in this experiment are happening in human society right now.

robinph · 08-02-2023 1:57pm

So these depopulation vaccines which were most widely used in advanced Western countries, where the birth rate is already lower than replacement levels as people have chosen to have fewer than 2.4 children for years, were aimed at the wrong people. The vaccines didn't kill off the ageing end of the population, and they will be mostly useless in reducing a birth rate that is already low.

Parts of the world with far higher birth rates didn't have such a high take up of the vaccines. Those countries are the ones who are providing the immigrant population to sustain the Western economies and have a higher birth rate, but also don't have the same level of ageing population... Yet.

Would seem that the geniuses who developed this depopulation vaccine without anyone noticing then failed in targeting where they then got the vaccine used. How do people so powerful always end up making the most basic of errors in their plans to dominate the world?

robinph · 08-02-2023 2:46pm

Of course the WEF is so focused on making sure that the population is sterilised by vaccines to reduce the population of the world that they are also quite concerned about the declining population of the world and the impact it might have:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/06/birthrates-declining-globally-why-matters/

Some might think that the WEF, rather than being a super secret cabal of world leaders intent on the destruction of the earth, is actually a bunch of people bouncing ideas around about how the future of the planet might look depending on what we do next.

You might call it something like a Forum for discussing Economics of the World. The title might need a bit of work though as not sure about the acronym FEW as some might read something nefarious into the name.

Dohnjoe · 08-02-2023 3:41pm

Not a very good depopulation plan when vaccines work

08-02-2023 4:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120215294#Comment_120215294

The reason for this is extreme vaccine hesitancy in Africa. Africans generally don't trust their governments or big pharma. There's been plenty of scandals in the past re: medical experimentation and drug trials in Africa. The same can be said for India and other developing countries.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/africa-in-focus/2021/12/03/what-do-pfizers-1996-drug-trials-in-nigeria-teach-us-about-vaccine-hesitancy/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X%2821%2900563-5/fulltext

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/controversial-vaccine-studies-why-is-bill-melinda-gates-foundation-under-fire-from-critics-in-india/articleshow/41280050.cms

They can depopulate Africa in other ways. Food shortages would be the obvious go-to. Africa is a net importer of food. Populations have been starved to death in the past. It's nothing new, cold as it sounds.

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214873#Comment_120214873

Not sure where you're getting that info re: reduction in excess deaths for the UK in 2022. Among the worst in 50 years, apparently.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-64209221

Same for Ireland and most other countries, as acknowledged by Varadkar recently:

Mr Varadkar told the Dáil that he will be asking the CMO, Prof Breda Smyth, for her view on the “matter of concern”.

“I am aware that in Ireland and in a lot of countries there has been a significant increase in excess deaths this winter, even more so than was the case during the pandemic, or at least during lockdowns,” Mr Varadkar said.

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/oireachtas/2023/02/01/varadkar-to-seek-cmos-advice-over-number-of-excess-deaths-reported-in-recent-weeks/

08-02-2023 5:02pm

I’ve had my 3rd booster this morning, how long do I have left, approximately?

The Nal · 08-02-2023 5:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120216127#Comment_120216127

If initial late 2021 reports are to be believed, we're looking at 4 billion deaths in the next few months. We're actually well overdue a few billion.

You may have mere hours left. Get your will in order.

08-02-2023 5:15pm

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You articulate the point well re: "humanely" reducing the population. I would argue that most women wouldn't voluntarily forego having children to reduce the burden on the planet. Lot of people are all for virtue-signalling and tweeting about how environmentally conscious they are, but draw the line at not having their own mini-me's running around. I'm sure the powers that be have come to the same conclusion, hence we haven't seen it tabled. Besides, no politician would be elected in a democracy running on a campaign of population control.

There's a lot of material coming out besides the #Pfertility Project Veritas video. Here's a few short clips discussing how these vaccines are accumulating around the ovaries. To be honest, I'd be surprised if there aren't serious fertility issues with this generation or the next. The world is overpopulated, and for reasons aforementioned, the elites likely felt they had no other choice. Interested to hear alternative viewpoints as to what else they could have realistically done.

https://twitter.com/P_McCulloughMD/status/1513129281634779136

"Biodistribution of LNP to ovaries coupled with Spike protein direct/autoimmune attack, cellular and tissue damage concerning for women in childbearing years and beyond. If a drug went on the US market and was found to accumulate in the ovaries, it would be immediately recalled".

https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1621337728762667010

"These nanoparticles are getting through the placenta and could be attacking the ovary of the developing female fetus".

odyssey06 · 08-02-2023 5:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120216187#Comment_120216187

Some of those tweets are being dredged up from 2022 and was de-bunked at the time.

Cherrypicked data. The original table shows organ distribution of the LNP-mRNA formulation, not spike protein synthesis. The organs were chosen to 'show' ovaries have a 'higher' level when all those organs had minimal accumulation Ovaries had only 0.095% of the total given.

https://twitter.com/mamadoctoo/status/1514038639436599297

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/multiple-studies-show-covid-19-vaccines-dont-cause-pregnancy-fertility-problems-epoch-times/

Nanoparticles do not cross the placenta barrier.

Anybody with a serious, well founded concern to raise about the vaccines doesn't go around calling them 'the clot shot'.

https://twitter.com/VikiLovesFACS/status/1371527449704599559

robinph · 08-02-2023 5:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120216117#Comment_120216117

So the vaccine to sterilise people is only being used in countries where it's not needed so much anyway due to the birth rate being below the replacement rate since long before covid. And the plan to depopulate by sterilising countries with a high birth rate by use of vaccines never happened because those countries either don't have the same infrastructure to distribute the vaccine and lower vaccine acceptance.

Perfect plan you have there. Use a pointless method for depopulation on a population that doesn't need it, and don't use it where you claim it would be needed because the method of causing the sterilisation isn't used.

08-02-2023 5:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120216127#Comment_120216127

In all seriousness and assuming you're not taking the piss, it is in your and everyone else's best interests to report any adverse affects.

http://www.hpra.ie/homepage/medicines/covid-19-updates/safety-monitoring-of-covid-19-vaccines

The more reports there are, the better picture the HPRA will have as to the safety or not of these vaccines.

08-02-2023 5:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120216244#Comment_120216244

You keep talking about replacement birth rates. Humans won't be needed nearly as much in future due to AI, automation and robotics. Try and grasp this reality.

As I said, they'll deal with developing countries refusing the vaccines in other ways. Multiple tools and methods, but same end-goal: population numbers need to come down, simple as that. The stakes are too high, and 8B+ people are not needed in future. No need to over-complicate it.

A few clips from the UK version of Utopia (2013) for your viewing pleasure, lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcx-nf3kH_M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87F2jX5Qk2Y

Are they wrong? If so, please explain why.

The lines between truth and fiction are blurring. They'd never actually follow through and sterilise you to save the planet though, would they? :p

Fighting Tao · 08-02-2023 5:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120216127#Comment_120216127

Depends on how many children you plan to have in the future. If you plan to have none then you are permitted to live. Any more than that and you’ll be sterilised and then killed just to be sure the depopulation is successful.

robinph · 08-02-2023 6:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120216311#Comment_120216311

So presumably the industrial revolution where people were not needed to work the same roles as before was also a major plot to reduce the population of the planet if AI is a depopulation plan?

08-02-2023 6:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120216242#Comment_120216242

Look up women experiencing menstrual changes and excruciating period pains post Covid-vaccination. Reports everywhere. Was this sort of thing a common side effect of previous vaccines?

"How were menstrual changes not listed as side effects of the covid vaccine? I’ve had easy Periods my entire life and my last period almost made me pass out cause of the pain. There needs to be more research on this and people need to be more informed on how to handle it".

https://twitter.com/minimalismbitch/status/1425717209582559232

Time will tell anyway, my friend. Sterilisation through the jabs, or tackle the overpopulation problem another way in future? Time is running out to "flatten the curve".

Fighting Tao · 08-02-2023 6:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120216498#Comment_120216498

BINGO!!

Same talking points on repeat even though they’ve been debunked. At least the idea of sterilising people wasn’t discussed much in the past.

Your avoidance of questions of your conspiracy theory is telling. I suppose questions that make you think might be a step too far into reality.

08-02-2023 7:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120216516#Comment_120216516

You haven't debunked anything, really. Citing material from the kind of people who told us "safe and effective" means nothing. "We didn't test for transmission because we were moving at the speed of science", lol. Don't even get me started on the bullsh*t they fed you to make you take the shots.

Regardless, I don't care about Covid, which even "the world's biggest philanthropist" (as someone here referred to him as) later admitted was "basically like the flu, but a little different". The real issue is unsustainability. There are too many people on the planet. They know it, and have repeatedly stated so. They weren't lying when they said you were taking the shots to "save others", and for the "common good". They just meant it differently to how you thought they meant it.

Global elites, pharma execs, top politicians etc do not give a flying fck about you or your family. You mean nothing to them. Saving the planet itself is a much more important endeavour. There is no other realistic way to tackle the global overpopulation emergency than to do what they have surely done. None of you have proposed a viable, realistic alternative, either; because you know there is none. Hence why sterilisation for the young, slow-kill for the old is likely what was administered.

This was an interesting discussion, anyway. I've said all I have to say over previous posts. Thanks to all, even though we may disagree.

odyssey06 · 08-02-2023 7:09pm

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Previous vaccinations have been linked to temporary minor changes. As have the different versions of covid vaccines.

Writing in 1549, the Chinese doctor Wan Chhüan casually mentions that inoculation against smallpox (an early procedure similar to vaccination) was liable to bring on menstruation unexpectedly. A report from 1913 noted that when a New York hospital started vaccinating its nurses against typhoid, a number of them noticed post-vaccination differences in their menstrual cycles. More recently, seven out of 16 women in a phase I trial of a Hepatitis B vaccine reported menstrual changes, while a survey of almost 30,000 Japanese teenagers found HPV vaccination weakly associated with an increase in heavy or irregular periods... We found that getting a Covid-19 vaccine could delay your next period by a day or so, but the timing of periods returned to normal in the following cycle... The Norwegian study found that about 8% of people reported a heavier than usual period the cycle before their vaccine, but this increased to 14% in the period after they were vaccinated. The results of these studies are reassuring: the changes are small and short-lived, and we know from other studies that Covid-19 vaccination does not affect female fertility.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/27/covid-vaccine-period-menstrual-cycles

Dohnjoe · 08-02-2023 7:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120216715#Comment_120216715

Right, you wrote that politicians weren't a part of this, now they are?

robinph · 08-02-2023 7:17pm

Hence why sterilisation for the young, slow-kill for the old is likely what was administered.

Any evidence at all of this being the design of even one of the vaccines?

You are now claiming that it sterilises the young and kills the old. And these multiple effects, in addition to the function against covid, was somehow worked into multiple different vaccines, using multiple different methods of delivering the vaccine, developed by multiple different companies in multiple different countries and produced by even more different facilities worldwide and closely monitored by even more national health bodies.

Yet nobody anywhere on the planet leaked this detail or noticed the additional negative effects.

odyssey06 · 08-02-2023 7:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120216715#Comment_120216715

You have conflated two questions into one and are trying to jam the answer for one into the other.

Even if it is a solution (highly debateable both as a feasible solution and its necessity) thats a million miles away from anyone having the power and will and capability to put it into practice in a secret conspiracy.

A conspiracy which seems alternatively powerful and powerless and its membership shifting to suit present argument or at cross purposes eg china one child policy ending, using covid vaccines when they are least used in africa etc, the WHO saving lives in developing countries with public health programmes, UN food aid yet also WHO deeply involved in the conspiracy

Fathom · 08-02-2023 8:50pm

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I see no rigorous scientific evidence for what you claim. Only unsubstantiated claims superficially linked to incredible and sensationalist conspiracy theory opinions about COVID-19 vaccinations as an opportunity for population control through sterilization.

Furthermore, does this also appear as a pseudoscientific anti vaccination talking point in general, and not unique to you? Just substitute today’s COVID-19 vaccinations with polio vaccinations in the USA and see what happened historically to the disability and death rates of children from poliovirus (which has been eliminated in the USA due to vaccinations; retrieved CDC.gov 8 Feb 2023).

Certainly population growth has been a major and complex problem affecting Homo sapiens and their natural environment. But you are obviously unaware of the demographic evidence that illustrates the decline in population for several developed countries during recent decades. Simply Google search population pyramids for counties like Germany or France or Norway or Japan or South Korea to see the historical change in the shape from a typical pyramid with a large youthful foundation to one that looks more like a column in decline. This occurs when birth rates fall to 2.1 (replacement) and below. A population change that began decades before COVID-19 vaccinations.

And if this demographic model persists as lesser developed countries advance in future decades, world population will stop growing and eventually decline accordingly.

One demographic hypothesis has data to suggest support: As the education of women increases in a country, the lower the population birth rate (8 July 2022. University of Pennsylvania. Penn Wharton Budget Model. Declines in births to below replacement rates in study of USA women attending college between 2006 and 2019).

hometruths · 08-02-2023 9:59pm

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That's a lot of vaccines, are you in a particularly high risk group?

I presume you've taken a booster every six months so far, do you intend to continue to do so indefinitely?

robinph · 09-02-2023 1:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120217465#Comment_120217465

It's really not. 3 vaccines in 3 years isn't anything special. People have had the option of annual flu jabs for many, many years.

odyssey06 · 09-02-2023 2:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120219605#Comment_120219605

And here's a new malaria vaccine:

For R21, only 450 children aged 5-17 months, a small number, were included in the recent trial conducted in Burkina Faso, where malaria infections are seasonal. The study showed that three initial doses of the vaccine, followed by a booster a year later, was up to 80% effective at preventing infection.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/is-new-malaria-vaccine-world-changing-maybe/

hometruths · 09-02-2023 3:02pm

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Ah yes, the old flu vaccine comparison. It is mentioned a lot in this thread - it just another example of the evidence there is a narrative around covid vaccines.

Pre Covid the performance of flu vaccines was routinely described as disappointing because of the volume of infections in vaccinated people - these were referred as breakthrough infections and cases of vaccine failure, in line with international agreed medical terminologies.

It was recognised that having a poorly performing vaccine was better than nothing, but the consensus was that there was a need for a significantly more effective flu vaccine. The difficulties of flu mutating and evolving variants were seen as hurdles that needed to be overcome by better vaccine development rather than excuses for a poorly performing vaccine.

Equally it was recognised that vaccination had some value in alleviating the symptoms in the breakthrough infections, this was better than nothing, but no more than that. It was certainly not hailed as the vaccines working as intended. Quite the opposite.

By way of illustration consider the following two articles on flu vaccines and covid vaccines, written in the same publication by the same author on the essentially the same aspect of vaccines - the need for better protection from a more universal vaccine.

The one on flu vaccine was written in 2017 and titled "Why flu vaccines so often fail" and like all good journalists, he sets the tone in opening paragraph with a well chosen quote (empahsis mine):

The most commonly used flu shots protect no more than 60% of people who receive them; some years, effectiveness plunges to as low as 10%. Given that a bad flu season can kill 50,000 people in the United States alone, "10% to 60% protection is better than nothing," says Michael Osterholm, an epidemiologist at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis. "But it's a terribly inadequate vaccine for a serious public health threat." Now, researchers are striving to understand why it fails so often—and how to make a markedly better one.

The one on covid vaccines was written in July 2022 and titled "Why efforts to make better, more universal coronavirus vaccines are struggling" - again the author sets the tone in the opening paragraph with a well chosen quote (emphasis mine):

There’s a new call from the White House to develop vaccines that might protect against future SARS-CoV-2 mutants or even unknown coronaviruses. “The vaccines we have are terrific, but we can do better than terrific,” Ashish Jha, White House COVID-19 response coordinator, said at a vaccine summit yesterday that gathered researchers, companies, and government officials.

So can you explain why in 2017 vaccines that did poorly to prevent infections, but did alleviate the severity of those infections would be described as "terribly inadequate" whereas in 2022 vaccines that do poorly to prevent infections, but do alleviate the severity infections are described as "terrific"?

What's the difference?

odyssey06 · 09-02-2023 3:17pm

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Not sure what this has to do with the fact that you get flu vaccine annually???

And is the figure for 60% effectiveness tracking symptomatic or asymptomatic infections? What is meant by 'protection' in the article?

As for the difference.

The basic flu vaccine design has been around for decades. Judging its performance versus vaccines developed in a crisis pandemic is the contextual difference.

Also, you have quoted two different people at different times. Maybe Michael Osterholm considers covid vaccines as inadequate though still important. And maybe Ashish Jha considers them both terrific, in different ways. You have made a huge jump there in picking two random people's quotes as being representative of consensus opinion on them. A jump you have done nothing to substantiate.

hometruths · 09-02-2023 3:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120220128#Comment_120220128

No huge jump at all. The point I was making is that it was the same author who picked both quotes:

like all good journalists, he sets the tone in opening paragraph with a well chosen quote

The tone of the articles could hardly be more different.

Neither flu nor Covid has been effectively controlled by vaccines. It's damage limitation.

In the case of the flu vaccine that's why they're considered terribly inadequate because vaccines should have higher expectations.

Same logic clearly doesn't apply to covid vaccines. They're considered terrific, no matter where the goalposts are.

odyssey06 · 09-02-2023 3:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120220207#Comment_120220207

Why don't you ask the journalist then?

Apparently they stand in for you as representative of the entire scientific consensus. So not sure why you are asking us here.

For one thing, as noted it is two entirely different people being quoted, whose use of language could be quite different.

So to take a random quote by Ashish Jha, and roll that to "they're considered terrific, no matter what the goalposts are" is entirely a strawman argument. You have entirely failed to substantiate this claim in any way.

For all we know Michael Osterholm might consider covid vaccines terrific but inadequate.

Terrific when judged against the timelines of the pandemic, their development and the level of change with covid variants and what they do.

Inadequate when judged against the standards of a perfect \ ideal vaccine.

It is entirely valid to have different expectations for medicines and vaccines based on circumstances and based on the nature of the disease.

It's not valid to have the same expectations for eg vaccines versus measles and malaria.

Vaccines should have realistic expectations. It may be that for quick evolving respiratory viruses such as flu and covid we are not going to get something like a measles or mumps vaccine where you get 1-2 shots and then lifetime herd immunity. Even with measles vaccines, vaccination rate needs to be 90%+ in order to prevent outbreaks.

hometruths · 09-02-2023 3:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120220327#Comment_120220327

Do you think the covid vaccines are terrific?

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