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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Who is claiming that mercenaries have to be from NATO Countrys???? I'm not talking about loyalty, by their very nature, mercenaries' throughout history are and always have been paid fighters. I speak about quality. Lots of ex US / UK/ French ( Foreign Legion ) military join civilian security forces when their military contract ends. The question is what kind of rabble Wagner is recruiting? Would your Monaghan friend work for them? Oh, BTW, I've been in a war or two, and I've seen mercenaries at work. Give me an ex-NATO or US mercenary any day over a Wagner monster.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,008 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    All in all, he's just another prick, knows fúck all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    He just needs some re-education. He is subject to thought control.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    a lot of that stuff has been sent already - in the first year most of stuff supplied was Soviet equipment from ex-Warsaw pact states.

    The problem is that many of those tanks/bmps donated were done so with the understanding that they would be replaced by NATO gear (Leopards/Marders etc) - great news for Rheinmettal, but the downside of the order book growing and growing is that the time until EU members have their stocks replenished keeps getting further and further away.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Starlink has been used by the Ukrainians to defend their country militarily for almost a year now. It's bizarre that Starlink have suddenly decided to "draw a line" regarding offensive drone use (which Ukrainians have been doing since the column outside Kyiv last March). Musk threatened to pull funding for Starlink before, so it's natural to suspect he is behind this.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    I'm pretty confident in predicting that this will be reversed. Remember this did happen before.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Let me know when France parts with one of their nuclear powered and nuclear ICBM carrying submarines. Actually, it's quite amazing how much Ukraine is achieving with so little being given them. Not one western fighter jet or attack helicopters. What's been given to Ukraine is pocket change. Count the large denomination notes left in the wallet and you'll see that it's still full.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,515 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Epstein and his band of rich peado clients != russian army/mercenaries raping, relocating kids to Russia and into porn/peudo hands, civilian infrastructure destruction. Though they are both unequal, both are wrong and both sets involved should be strung up by their balls (or female equivalant)

    Did anyone have FIAT currency as the reason for this war?



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    True, posters here care not that Ukrainian forces have been shelling their own citizens in the Donbass for the guts of a decade, but get all offended when Russia steps in to protect these people.

    OK, let's tease this particular Russian talking point out.

    I'll start by saying the Russian position is 100% accurate* and they sent in the troops to protect these people. OK. Never mind Ukrainian nationalist civillians, how many Russian seperatist civilians and general passersby died in the ten year Donbas conflict? Independent and Russian/Ukrainian figures hover around the 10-15,000 figure and the majority of them were killed between 2014 and 2016, so no matter which "side" was to blame, the killings had substantially fallen off in numbers, yet Russia decides to "protect them" years later? How many hamlets, towns and cities were reduced to rubble between 2014 and 2022? How many have been reduced to rubble in the last 12 months? Again never mind Ukrainians, how many Russians seperatists and armed forces have been killed or injured in the last 12 months in Donbas?

    So even if one believes all the Russian narratives, lock, stock and barrel, Russia's actions in the last 13 months have killed, injured and displaced many times over the number of the very people they claim they started this Special Military Operation to "protect". How does that work then?

    I try to avoid "sides" because bullshít is a constantly renewable resource in geopolitics and war. I prefer to look at realities and clear outcomes and I'm afraid Russia comes out of this substantively worse. If Russia had not invaded tens of thousands would not be dead, tens of thousands would not be crippled, millions would not be displaced, towns and cities would not be rubble, her economy would not be under serious threat and World War Three would not be gaining traction.




    *hint; it's not and many independent agencies saw both sides doing the killing. To suggest otherwise would be akin to someone claiming only the IRA or UVF were killing and maiming in The Troubles.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    There is nothing to debate with you as you repeat Russian propaganda without evidence they has been discussed here countless times.

    So who would you hand over to the Russian soldiers first, your grandmother, your mother, or your sister? I deliberately left out wife/girlfriend/daughter because it would mean leaving your parents box room, and there’s little chance that has happened in donkey years.

    Post edited by Fighting Tao on


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Rheinmetall from Germany discussing the possibility of sending it's newest tank (Panther) and IFV (Lynx) to Ukraine down the line




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Ukraine had the 2nd largest standing army in Europe (Russia 1st) at the start of this, the 2nd most tanks in Europe (Russia 1st), same story with self propelled guns, towed artillery pieces, MLRS.

    And on top of that they've gotten almost 100bn USD in military aid since Feb 22 - I would not call that "so little being given them"

    They were certainly an 'economically depressed' nation at the start of this, but they were not lacking in military firepower



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    With arms production increasing across Europe, I wonder if we will see an Irish arms industry created.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Hush dont mention Epstein, its exposed how corrupt the western elite actually are

    And the non Western "elite" are squeaky clean paupers I suppose? It's not exactly a good look in the face of clear evidence that they're anything but. And let's face it you can't move for references to Epstein, with enough in western media consumed by millions openly suggesting he was bumped off, so it's hardly hushed up. Try saying similar of any "elites" in Moscow or Bejing and see how you get on.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Do you really believe that Timmy? After all the destruction that Putin has caused, that things will ever be the same again in the world, let alone the EU/ UK etc? After the ww2, the west was lulled into a false sense of security, a bubble that Putin burst. That will not be allowed to happen again, indeed it must not happen again, and in order to protect itself and ensure the peace, the EU / UK etc must re-arm ASAP.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I was thinking of putting Epstein, "USD will collapse" and global meltdown in there, but there just weren't enough squares

    We may need a bigger bingo board



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    I'm only surprised vaccine denialism isn't in there somewhere



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    That’s ok. Sure at the rate the Putinbots throw out phrases, it wouldn’t extend the game by that long. The children should still make their bedtimes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Nothing to do with rumours of horrendous casualties reaching the prisons.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Surprised they are even given a choice and not just presented with their mobik papers... but maybe what's left in the prisons isn't worth the bother \ would likely frag their own side.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I'm thinking that's probably more likely. I can't imagine thier convicts getting much of a choice. Would be just as simple for the Kremlin to "pardon/suspend the sentence of" the prisoner and then push them onto a Mobnik bus at the prison gates.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    All this posted by Ukrainian sources, so it ain't Russian propaganda, if im not banned as is the modus operandii around here when the truth is coming out, i will post them later.

    You may have missed the part where I clearly stated the Ukrainian side has their own delusions and spin. Well I suppose it doesn't suit I'm not automatically gibbering Slava Ukraine! and calling Russians "orcs". Im simply calling bullshít as I see it and I see and hear a lot more from one side in this. And you also "missed" my other demonstrably obvious points.

    I have indeed seen the "chemical weapons" vids. Both the drone footage and the seperate "Ukrainian officer" speaking of them. The former shows grenade drops on two Russian soldiers in a stream and the subsequent large concussion waves in the water(which you don't generally see the effect of in air blasts). It cuts to one poor bastard writhing while the second guy hangs onto him and then leaves, which cuts again to the first guy drowning on his own. No sign of his fellow soldier. Dead or alive. Odd if they'd both been hit with chemical agents... We've seen all too often similar footage of the effects of shrapnel and concussion waves on both Ukrainian and Russian combatants, including the writhing in pain/confusion(and being left behind, something seen far more with Russian troops), but no mention of "chemical weapons" which Russia has been extremely keen to pin on Ukrainian forces. From the start they tried the Yank "Weapons of Mass Destruction" angle with "bio-labs", but were even more amateur hour than the same Americans and significantly so militarily.

    As for the "Ukrainian officer", until secondary sources(and it showed up on Russian Telegram, not Ukrainian as you claim) and good evidence comes to light I'll put as much belief in that remarkably convenient footage as I did with the rake of equally convenient "intercepted phonecalls" the Ukrainians used to release on a near daily basis, or the now debunked and stlll running Russian spin that Ukraine is fielding child soldiers. That is; feck all.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,008 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    The poster with the ironic name knows full well it’s trivially easy and perfectly legal to watch RT, both live and (for want of a better word) highlights, if one was into bad fiction.

    It’s all deflection.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,802 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I'd certainly question the 100bil military aid figure you mention. It's more like a fraction of that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    I suspect older but normal intellectual development was probably hijacked by ideology at about 19 years of age.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Oh I wasn't surprised one bit. I know both actual Russians and a few Irish people who've bought into the Russian spin. The former are completely understandable, it is their country after all. The latter are all to a man and woman big into the WEF/Conspiracy/Elites/quack medicine/Covid/Crypto/Trannies are after your kids/MSM/American hegemony/Big Pharma, all the way back to those daft viral videos "Zeitgeist" many moons ago stuff and long before this conflict.

    Russian spin doctors know this all too well and have used this as a way in to an already very receptive audience. And it covers both the "left" and "right" thinkers too, though more the latter as they tend to like, even idealise "strong leaders who tell it like it is", so long as the message they're peddling is simple of course. There were already putin fanboys in the West, MAGA/Fox types even in the US, so they already had fertile ground to sow and grow seeds. That's one area in their otherwise oft farcical spin doctoring where they have seen success.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I believe the figure is 40 billion dollar for 2023 ,not sure they where he's getting 100 billion from,



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭victor8600


    I am unpleasantly amazed by the left-wing people who support Russia now. Russia is the most unequal society in the world despite having huge amounts of natural resources and a well-educated population. They allow loan shark debt collectors to harass people in their homes. There is very little worker protection, despite having multiple related laws, as the corruption trumps everything. The state & friends of Putin control most of the economy, with semi-state organisations used for political purposes to force compliance in the population. In many aspects, Russia is a corporate fascist state, as per its definition:

    Fascism is a far-rightauthoritarianultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracymilitarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

    How, in the name of Lenin, would a current Russian state be in any way compatible with communist/socialist left-wing ideas is beyond me. The only way I can explain Roger Waters behaviour is that he does not like "Western values" and thus supports Russia who is ostensibly anti-western. But even then it would show a shocking ignorance on his part, as Russian elites are only anti-western when it is needed for them to justify the aggression against Ukraine or to rob their own population, while having their children being born in the best clinics in the USA and having villas in Italy.

    Damn murdering hypocrites.



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