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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Dave is the reason people went to see them, as much as Roger hates to admit it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,427 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    The russian psyche thinks it's clever. The initiated observer however is able to conclude the truth by using the projection rule.

    In this part of the world we may say who smelt it, dealt it. In the russian mind however the rule is if we say they dealt it, then those those stupid foreigners will never suspect that we dealt it. Thus back to this part of the world one can figure out the truth by the projection rule. 😁😎



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,407 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Fcuk if that's your response to an INTERNATIONAL NEWS STORY straight from Russia.....I will not waste any time or energy on an obvious putinbot.

    All Eyes On Rafah



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    It does matter. It's being blocked in the EU because it is Russian media and it says exactly what the Russian govt. want it to say. Certain events post end Feb. last year warrant a reconsideration, it is now not just spreading some disinfo + propaganda that might rot away the brains of those who listen/watch too much of it with an open mind, it is a weapon of a hostile state...

    I know you may have dozed off (!) but Russia has pretty much started a war of sorts on the EU as of end Feb. last year. It seems to be tough for some people to accept this, but that is life.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It really isn't, but whatever..

    What is part and parcel of Russian culture is many centuries of imperialism, an imperialism that dropped dead among the ex European empires about the time hitler did, but revitalised Russian imperialism as the wall subsequently went up and Russian imperialism, unbounded by any reformation or enlightenment revved up. Again. It was also invaded more than once and is very twitchy about that. When you view their reasons and motives through this lens it helps you get a better picture of both their ruler's and their subject's general attitudes and indeed where lies and mistruths to us stem from. This is an war of imperialism more than anything and a fight to save the empire as they see it. Russia like China is not a country like Ireland, or Italy, it's an empire and this is an important distinction IMHO.

    Pro Russian commentators aimed at Western minds come out with things like "what is a Ukrainian/does Ukraine exist?", a question that doesn't compute for most Western minds anymore and Russian spin types know it so try to address it, though an answer would already be clear in most Russian minds and that answer would be "part of the Russian Mir/Not really no". Even the Russian language and it's an imperial one reflects this. There are basically two Russias/Russians(apologies for spelling). Rooski; what we would see as "Russian", pale, western ethnic Russian background. Rossianin; a citizen of the empire, what we would see as the various ethnic groups within the Russian federation/empire. Part of this Russian Mir they go on about. Ours. There's also an element of if you support Russia you're part of this Russian Mir to some degree, but an actual ethnic Russian who doesn't well that's the Russian version of "Unamerican", minus any leeway to criticise the motherland.

    Last year a Russian I know came out with the whole "Ukraine doesn't exist, it's only around since the 20's", I pointed out that so was Ireland. Does Ireland exist? Does Finland? Hell, Germany and Italy only got together in today's form in the 1800's. Does Italy exist? It didn't compute so well for them. And his further automatic response? "Clearly you hate Russia", even though he knows that's bollocks. Even reasoned debate(and this guy's no idiot by any stretch)that goes nowhere near outright criticism is suspected as antagonism and "hate". It is of zero surprise to me that many Russians in Russia are either automatically behind this war and the ones who aren't, well their get out clause is they're "not political"(I've found that works funny enough).

    All their ex vassal Soviet Bloc states who legged it as quickly as possible from the Russian Mir were a loss, but meh, they weren't true Rossianin anyway, but Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia are. When Ukraine, or enough of them wanted that to be past tense that was the step too far. Bugger all to do with NATO/EU/Weaponised insects at their borders. To the "Russian mind" Ukraine is and always has been theirs and (was) their people, just like Tibet is and was to China. Their talk about going all the way to Paris and Lisbon etc is just that, talk.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,578 ✭✭✭Field east


    You should have ABSOLUTLY no problem in being presented with ‘The NATIONAL DEFLECTOR AWARD ‘ for 2023 - even at this early stage and we have another 10 months to go



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,802 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    For all we or he knows, the source could be Russian. As he didn't require or need any actual evidence to post the story on a blog (at least if he was a reporter he would need higher standards) he just went with it. I mean he could have checked the ships were actually where they were supposed to be, ya know what any investigator reporter would do. Then go back to the source and question it. Doesn't look like he done that. Just got an alleged source and ran with it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,578 ✭✭✭Field east


    You should have ABSOLUTLY no problem in being presented with ‘The NATIONAL DEFLECTOR AWARD ‘ for 2023 - even at this early stage and we have another 10 months to go



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,089 ✭✭✭threeball




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,743 ✭✭✭zv2


    Nazism in Ukraine is a reaction to Russian aggression. Some of them took sides with the nazis simply because the nazis were against Russia - my enemy's enemy is my friend. Thereafter an element of nazism took root in Ukraine. The Russians are true nazis and facists because they behave like them. They are the most mendacious nation on earth and have been for a long time. So there is no equivalence between Ukr. nazism and Russian nazism (Wagner) and the spirit of nazism in Russia which is endemic and widespread. So no, you can't have whataboutery when there is such an obvious difference.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭housetypeb


    Russian bot logic, Rule number one. Opinions = facts and “exhaust anyone who tries to engage in good faith conversation with a combination of unverified points/counterpoints, random subject changes, non-topical whataboutisms, and alternative-opinions-as-facts” and that’s how you win a debate!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭storker


    Ìndeed. And after the war there will have to be some serious attitude adjustment or they'll find public opinion turning the other way very quickly. I very much doubt that Ukraine's need to be in the west's good books will stop with the shooting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    The claim is that the explosives were planted In June during the BALTOPS22 exercise which apparently happened in the exact area and allegedly included mine diving exercises conducted by a US specialty diving unit. And that they were detonated 3 month later via radio emitters on buoys dropped from a Norwegian surveillance plane. My understanding is that those details check out insofar as they can be checked out. As in there was such an exercise and there was such a plane in those places at those times.

    But of course thats 2nd hand information. It is beyond my personal means to verify the location of certain US Marine ships and diving units in June 2022 and of a Norwegian surveillance plane 3 months later. Are you saying you know they weren't there? I mean I know you don't know yourself but have you credible claims these infos are incorrect?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny


    I wouldn't agree with that. Waters was the brilliant lyricist and Gilmour could write great riffs. Gilmour has never been accused of being a good showman quite the opposite. Pink Floyd should have been buried after The Wall.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    You really need to switch on the news at some stage. Russia held "talks" with Ukraine at the beginning on the conflict, but it was mainly seen as vapid theatre carried out by the Russians which it turned out to be.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭macraignil


    My best guess is the drip feed in the media of weapons going to help Ukraine is to just keep the russian scum occupying the territory of Ukraine guessing as to what they are going to face when the time suits Ukraine to take the offensive and remove the murdering genocidal invaders from their land.

    I think there are different amounts of time required for pilot training depending on how much experience the trainee has so I can understand some variation in the information coming out publicly about this. It's my opinion that the airspace over Ukraine will be too filled with antiaircraft missiles from ground based launchers to make fighter aircraft very long lasting and missile and drone systems could be a more likely way the Ukrainians will be able to attack the russians when the time suits them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    HiMars targeting comes from outside ukraine to guarantee accurate strikes from limited ammunition,

    I wonder via Rammstein or Poland .





  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    They are very slow learners. They have no success here yet keep coming back.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I have suspected for a long time it's the yanks, they have insanely good intel on Russian positions and logistics



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    the remarkable publicly displayed disinterest from Germany and other EU/NATO countries to get to the bottom of and comment on the actual sabotage act. Parliamentary question stonewalled because national security etc blabla. That certainly wouldn't happen if it was clear it was Russia.

    That part resonates with me TBH. If there were the slightest evidence to link Russia with the blast surely they'd be trumpeting that? And they haven't been. It all went a little too quiet. I would be unequally surprised if Russia or America did it. Both are well known geopolitical dicks with a long history of prime dickism of this nature.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,802 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Allegedly divers from a Norwegian mine sweeper planted the charges, yet no Norwegian mine sweepers were near the area. The buoy allegedly dropped from a Norwegian plane, yet none was tracked during what was allegedy a routine flight (not a covert flight)



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Yes ,I think I linked to a previous article which said nato were supplying live Intel from aircraft over ukraine, essentially daring the Russians to make a move against Nato ISR aircraft,

    It pretty much debunks the idea of geo fencing HiMars, when it's the Americans providing the target and target co-ordinaces



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,008 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    If Stormfront set up a TV station, there's no way it would be carried on any satellite service in Europe, and you know that well.

    RT isn't banned. You can very easily stream it online. Takes about 2 seconds to find it with a Google search if you're so inclined. You may even have it bookmarked.

    What did happen, and rightly so, is that it was prevented from illegitimately posing as a TV news channel.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Always fascinating. Incredibly brave determined people.




  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Meanwhile the Mayor of Paris, who is currently visiting Kyiv to give them 10 power generators, is saying that Russian athletes should be banned from attending. I know whose side I am on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,427 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Proves how much influence the Kremlin has in the media. My own opinion I wasn't surprised this came from a New York Times journalist. My own opinion again it's a paper bought and paid for by the Kremlin and that's going on the pro Russian pieces since the start of the invasion. They only did the revelation of the Bucha executions as otherwise it'd be thought of (with the cat out of the bag) overtly leaning too far one way. No evidence presented (Nord stream) but as like the russian way run with it and let everyone else try to disprove.

    Putin gets off scot free again.

    Russian mafia were protesting in Germany the day before it blew about the pipelines and that to my mind was to draw attention and deflection that they were 1000% for the pipeline that they knew what was going to happen the next day. If you're protesting for the pipeline to open you couldn't possibly be behind it. Those stupid foreigners again won't figure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,008 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Not sure what point you're trying to make here (I'm not sure if you know yourself), but I can access both stormfront.org (felt filthy even trying), and rt.com (again, felt filthy even trying).

    If you're having problems (although I don't know why you'd want to access either), maybe have a chat with your mother? She might have upped the old filters on the broadband router on you. She's probably wishing it was just porn you were at on your own in your room.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,089 ✭✭✭threeball


    Ha, the freak. Making it out like she's out on the frontline putting herself in harms way. And the muppetskis lapping it up.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Good Q&A here on the situation (and stunningly honest)

    "Question: There is a lot of talk about the Russians preparing for a major offensive. What might be the Russians’ objectives and how do you rate their prospects of success? 

    Answer: First of all, it’s extremely unlikely Russia will attempt another offensive on Kyiv from the north as in February 2022. The terrain is difficult and well-defended, but more importantly, Moscow has learnt its lesson from its disastrous first attempt, and decapitating Ukraine by taking its capital is no longer seen as realistic.

    The same can be largely said about another offensive on Kharkiv, a city of 1.4 million, though Kharkiv’s proximity to the border makes it a little more possible that Russia has it in its sights. What is much more likely is a continuation and expansion of the current push on Donetsk Oblast, with the best-case scenario (in Russia’s mind) being the capture of the oblast’s entire administrative territory, including the large strategic cities of Sloviansk and Kramatorsk. 

    It is quite likely that the main thrust of the attack will continue to be around Bakhmut, building on the recent advances of Wagner Group mercenary troops, and hoping to push further towards Kramatorsk. In order to spread Ukrainian defenses thin, Russia will likely attack in several other areas simultaneously, including Vuhledar in the south of the Donbas front line, Mariinka and Avdiivka near occupied Donetsk, and in the north of Donetsk Oblast back towards Lyman, which was already occupied and liberated once. 

    On one hand, if well planned and executed, a large-scale Russian spring offensive in Donbas could threaten to take a significant amount of new territory and inflict painful damage on Ukrainian units already battered in the battles around Bakhmut. On the other, armored offensives against dug-in defensive lines are always extremely difficult and costly, and Ukraine is prepared. Even if they do make some gains, it is certainly very hard to imagine Russia successfully besieging and taking a city like Kramatorsk, over twice the size of Bakhmut. One thing to keep an eye out for will be the fighting performance in combined arms offensives of the hundreds of thousands of mobilized Russian troops, as recent Russian gains have all been made by Wagner forces, not the regular Russian army."



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