ESB eCars

You mean on the 150kW chargers or "high power" to use the ESB phrase? Does that happen often? I don't visit that many DC points but usually AC is only on the 50kW units

I meant on the 50kW but as the posters above explained it's an issue anywhere its installed as it blocks a space. If you have 3 spaces for a 150+50 setup, as is ecars' want, you waste a further space by installing a 22kW SCP at the 50kW. Means even if everyone parked ideally, you will always have one plug blocked. If that blocking is done by someone on the 22kW it could be in place for 10 hours

It's 22kW so the limit is 10 hours. Unfortunately. And this is why its such a bad idea

Thanks, that what I was afraid of; as I'm sure a hefty bill for hitting multiple overstays at each 45 minute mark would put an end to PHEV's charging at a 'fast charger' for extended periods.

It's almost like the people who designed the eCars charger locations don't use Electric Cars so don't understand any of this (and don't care enough to understand)

I think the best solution is to keep tethered fast chargers in one spot and have a bank of slow AC somewhere else. Plugging into the fast AC while waiting is not the worst as you're still subject to the 45 minute limit. I've done it myself at times, especially in my Teslas that have 3 phase AC. The difference in using ac at a fast charger when waiting, and plugging in with your own cable is the use case. Destination chargers are supposed to be used for hours, not a few minutes while waiting, you know? And the thing is, the phev in the photos isnt actually doing anything wrong! Its just bad planning with ecars.

That’s exactly the layout I saw time and time again travelling through Europe last summer…

At least 2 HPC’s with 2 spaces each, then the 50’s with 1 space per unit, and then a sh1t ton of AC’s..

This was a hotel carpark in Eindhoven next to the motorway.. Superchargers (about 16), 2 HPC’s (4x CCS) a 50kW and about 20 AC sockets!!

and never saw 1 of them ICE'd

I just don't understand why nobody has got an answer from them on this. Such a blatantly stupid thing to do.

Great set up there.

"and never saw 1 of them ICE'd" Is that Model S ICE-ing a spot on the right if the picture :()

Pavilions shopping centre has multiple chargers on multiple floors. I agree it would have been better to move them away from the doors to reduce ICEing, there should be a similar set up in all shopping centres but they typically only put a few so you can't rely on getting one free.

Saw this on Facebook. Possibly a cheaper way to use esb. May be more expensive in other situations. Often these cards change pricing too so typically end up a higher price than official esb app

I doubt Freshmile are making a loss on this. More than likely they are buying from ESB at a wholesale rate. Of course they could raise their prices but I'd think they would have done that by now if they were to

The time component in pricing opens a whole discussion of abuse from the provider. Remember the few weeks ago at AG when everyone was reporting speeds of 25kW? The provider can blame your car. How do you prove them wrong? Unless you get a charger which can prove that it delivers low power doe to the car's request this practice is questionable and some consumer protection bodies banned it.

Fully agree with this - a timed component is not a trustworthy part of a charge for exactly the reasons you mention: The AG one that was only giving 25kW, or there's one stall at Kill that was only going up to 40kW, and you would definitely be there for a longer time because of that.

Timed components should only kick in like Tesla - once you're finished charging, there's a per minute charge to encourage you to "go or get off the pot". Tesla also have a way to double the per minute fee if the site is at 100% occupancy -- Although, since it's ESB we're talking about here that would typically be the case as most sites have historically been SPOF. 🙂