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st brigid's day, where's all the crosses?

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  • Posts: 0 Garrett Proud Lip


    I don’t think we ever made them and I’m in my late 30s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    I think I only made them once in primary school in Dublin. I forget the year and if I made them any other times but I did make them once as I remember it well. Since I was a child I do not know who sourced the reeds. Like was it the school or was it the teacher herself who just wanted something fun for us kids to make. I do not know if the other classes in my year made them also. There was four classes of every year in my school with 35 students in each class.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Drat. I forgot.Usually make them every year for friends . Tomorrow.. Used to sell them too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,142 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    I thought Brigid's day was moved to next Monday.

    What else are we all going to do that day?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    God knows. Would have been much better to have a Bank holiday at a time of year when it was easier and nicer to do things outside. Would have been nicer to have a more modern, neutral sounding name for it than St. Brigid's day too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,849 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    They should make the first Monday in July and September public holidays. Would be great for domestic tourism.

    Having the February public holiday (calling it after a "saint" who probably never existed is thick) on a Friday some years is just stupid. What's the point of that?

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭iniscealtra


    @Conall Cernach @boardise It’s a prechristian tradition related to the swastica. Brigid was also a pre-Christian god as well as an early irish saint. Fertility, poetic inspiration and blacksmithing i think were the god’s fortee I believe. The saint was compassion, settling disputes with kings and fertility I believe. Also a good symbol of female leadership as women ran one of the most powerful monasteries in the country for a few hundred years. Anyway fair play to any teacher who goes out after work to cut enough rushes for twenty plus kids. A lot easier for teachers living in the countryside rather than in a village or town. I like the tradition myself. Go out and cut a few rushes your self and enjoy making them with the kids. The 4 legged one or the three legged one. Yesterday was the Full mion between the winter solstice and the spring equinox when the Celtic Festival of Imbolc would have been celebrated. Going to make a crosóg Bhríde myself today. It goes a long way back. Going to put it above the front door. @Hotblack Desiato I’m all for it as it has deep roots in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭iniscealtra


    In Irish the saint is not mentioned in the day. Lá Fhéile Bhríde. Plenty people say Bridget’s day too in English. I never made them in school as far as i remember but I did make them at home with my mother as a child.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,821 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I always made them in primary school iirc. I think all bank holidays should be moved to good weather months . Sick of being out in snow and rain while orange men are out on the one day it NEVER rains 😡



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 741 ✭✭✭Timfy


    Just a couple of points to add to this thread...


    There is no mention whatsoever in any "inclusion policy" issued by the Dept of Education or local Diocese that St. Bridget's Crosses, Nataraja, Islamic prayer mats or Swastikas (the good type!) must not be made at school. You may wish to bring this up with the individual teacher who sounds like he may be the anti-Burke


    The bank holiday on 6th February is called the Imbolc bank holiday. Admittedly pinched by the Christians as a parking place for St Bridget's day, the festival of Imbolc predates it by millennia.

    No trees were harmed in the posting of this message, however a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Was moving from a pre-christian god to a saint regarded as a promotion or demotion? It sounds like the kind of promotion in Europe ministers are given to get them out of the way. I would love to see the festival of Imbolc celebrated, this is one of our real traditions, not one of the ones imported from the middle east.



  • Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭Wezz


    Enoch Burke has a bit of time on his hands if you’re looking for a good god fearing teacher to poison your offspring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭iniscealtra


    @HerrKuehn I’d say it was a way of intregrating an existing Festival into a new Religion in Ireland at the time. Done with lots of things. There is historical evidence for saint Brigid. That shouldn’t be overlooked. Abbess of Kildare who was quite an influential figure historically. Its interesting as appartantly all the abbess there after the first one took the name Brigid or were called Brigid. So it could be a title.

    I wouldn’t be surpised to see a resurgence in Imbolc/ Brigid festivals now that the Bank holiday is there. Nice idea for a gathering of friends on the Bank holiday weekend anyway. The Full moon was very bright last night. Brighest I’ve seen in a long while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,849 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    So nothing but months of drudgery all winter with no days off, have you thought this through?

    The Saturnalia / Solstice / Christmas / whatever you want to call it celebration was invented for a reason.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,849 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    @Timfy Don't stress about it, the OP just made that "incident" up.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,821 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Oh , I didn't know that. I didn't know about Imbolc. You learn something every day !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,118 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Has that vibe of "they're taking our xxx" alright

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,997 ✭✭✭sporina


    right - Brigid - then St. Brigid..

    what does it matter..

    the sentiments remains..

    I really enjoyed celebrating last Wed and over the long weekend..

    We all need a lot more positivity and humanity in our lives..





  • and making straw crosses is more positivity and humanity?

    This is what sends me with religious folks. Talk all day long about how we need to be better, do more, help your fellow man (or woman) and the majority do sweet fcuk all then beyond that.

    Not saying that’s you of course, but it’s striking to me that those who will preach about how god is great and we need to help the less fortunate yet as I say they don’t help anyone.

    And of course the help is only forthcoming IF you’re not LGBT, divorced or some other affront to the floating man.

    Exactly why I stepped away from organised religion in any form. It’s all hypocrisy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,997 ✭✭✭sporina


    no - the celebration of all that they represent etc etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,142 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    I call BS on that.

    VDP have pretty much the largest non-government help network in the country. If someone asks them for help, they don't ask who they like to fúck, are they divorced etc. They got some negative publicity a few years ago for funding a LGBT drop in centre- but they funded it.

    As far as I can see, many of the people who actually volunteer to do things this country are religious of some flavour. They just don't tell you about it, because it's not relevant while they're volunteering.

    Post edited by Mrs OBumble on




  • Okay so that’s one.

    Any more or are you going to give me an exception and call it a rule?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,142 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    That one is literally thousands of people, nationwide.

    Capuchin Day Centre. There's another one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,997 ✭✭✭sporina




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭iniscealtra


    God Briget was not. Celtic deity of fertility etc.

    https://westportlibrary.libguides.com/brigid

    Saint Briget was. 5th century. Abbess of Kildare

    @YFlyer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,317 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    How would it even be possible to quantify a majority in the context of what people who are religious do or don’t do for others? It’s entirely subjective, in which your reason then that you see them do fcukall for anyone else, makes sense.

    Not into the whole making crosses thing myself, but I can understand where the other poster was coming from - it’s just a creative endeavour is all, tradition, whatever, it doesn’t have to be grandiose gestures.

    This though?

    And of course the help is only forthcoming IF you’re not LGBT, divorced or some other affront to the floating man.

    That’s just silly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Thanks.


    The article said they both shared similarities but don't mention wat they are.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Because somebody decided she was a catholic and not a cool pagan legend



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    They are both figments of people's imaginations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Patrick was likely a real person. Always had my doubts on Bridget.


    Haven't read up on the other guy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,997 ✭✭✭sporina


    I and mannnnny other people hav benefited from celebrating St. Brigid's Day and the BH.. I attended a cross making workshop in Nano Nagle - twas fab.. there was a great sense of community and culture.. Bridget is also my 2nd name.. twas fun to be creative too - and reminded me of my childhood.. lots of good stuff..

    and happy people spread happiness and kindness.. nada wrong with that - no one gets hurts..

    sounds like some of ye on here could do with some healing... like, to poke holes in something that's positive - sounds like ye need some light in your lives.. really..

    I think that those who begrudge happiness for others.. tis a reflection of how sad they are themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,317 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    and happy people spread happiness and kindness.. nada wrong with that - no one gets hurts.. 

    sounds like some of ye on here could do with some healing... like, to poke holes in something that's positive - sounds like ye need some light in your lives.. really.. 

    I think that those who begrudge happiness for others.. tis a reflection of how sad they are themselves


    That didn’t last long 😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,997 ✭✭✭sporina






  • I would imagine they were just bemused by the irony of telling people to be more positive while also calling people who think making straw crosses in the name a dead person are sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,849 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    A dead mythical person with outlandish to say the least myths associated with them despite no evidence that this person ever even existed.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,997 ✭✭✭sporina


    i didn't mean sad in a nasty - I meant it in a genuine way..

    maybe my wording was poor..

    but my overall point was that maybe they need some positive vibes in their lives - then maybe they would not begrudge other people's happiness.. or what ever brings them joy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,997 ✭✭✭sporina


    but sure if its doing no harm and having a positive effect - how bad..

    the same could be said for a lot of things that people believe in..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,849 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Didn't say it was doing any harm but it's a rather silly justification for a public holiday and the endless bs about it in the media was a pain

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,317 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Nah, Nathalia Plump Earache got it in one - ‘bemused’ is the word.

    I’m all for the idea of teaching children how to make the St. Brigids cross, and even if they can’t make it out of rushes, they can make it out of paper (tutorials on YouTube). Like you said it’s just something fun to do and it’s creative, cool 👌

    At the same time I’m not oblivious to the fact that for other people the idea has a set of connotations they’re not on board with, whether it’s to celebrate the Feast of St. Brigid or Imbolc, both have religious and spiritual, social and cultural connotations that some people aren’t on board with. It doesn’t mean they’re sad or they need to get some joy in their lives, and some people just see the whole thing as ridiculous.

    I’m all for people spreading joy, not so much for passing judgement on people who don’t enjoy the same things I do, I don’t think it’s any reflection on them at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,997 ✭✭✭sporina


    but its not nice for people to knock what ever brings joy to other people - esp when they are not harming anyone in the process...

    I think people who do that are perhaps unhappy.. and maybe shud find a way to be happier.. in their own lives..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,849 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    So basically what you're saying is don't judge people, people who judge people are bad 😋

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,997 ✭✭✭sporina




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,849 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    But you are still judging people, irony fail.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,997 ✭✭✭sporina



    I guess we see things differently - its like this.. if there's something that folk believe in but I don't - I don't knock it - its just not my thing.. if it brings them joy - it would be rude of me to knock it.. and I wouldn't want to.. what ever brings people happiness.. and again - as long as no one in the process is being hurt.. ☺️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,849 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Whoosh.

    I think people who do that are perhaps unhappy.. and maybe shud find a way to be happier.. in their own lives..

    🙄

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I made one!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,997 ✭✭✭sporina


    me too - badly - but technically its ok - I love it - enjoyed making it.. but I bought a few from the pros to give to a few loved ones.. lol.. they loved em



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