The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

I don't get it. The world of diplomacy is all about protocol and procedure. The procedure here is that the Irish head of state and ni first minister are first to the table. That's Leo and Michelle oneill.

Sinn fein have also spent months complaining about the DUP not engaging in talks, now here they are jumping ship for a similarly spurious reason. How can mary lou legitimately complain about the dup going forward, when she has herself scuppered these talks before they began? The mind boggles, they are all as petulant as each other up north

Like the DUP, they'll never.miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

The latest is extremely, extremely dumb on Mary-Lou's behalf and feeds exactly into what the DUP want them to do.

isnt that part of the problem, no one really knows who the leaders of sf are,

how many would really be surprised if they demanded that the army council be represented as well

The army who?

Interesting posts about who actually runs SF. Me I think Gerry pulls the strings and the girls are mere puppets carryout his every command. I don't recall any democratic election where McDonald or O'Neill were elected to be leader. FF and FG as flawed as they at least elect their leader and have a leadership contest. The girls were ordained as leader by Gerry and Martin.

SF are slick and dynamic in a way that makes FF and FG look stale. I can see how they appeal to young voters with Gerry the peacemaking elder statesman at the top of the tree. Those of us older than 40 remember the carnage SF/IRA caused not just to Protestants but to members of their own community as they fought their 'war' for a 32 county Ireland.

The minute they signed up to partake in government at Stormont in 1997/98 they effectively acknowledge that their military campaign waged since 1969 had failed in it's ultimate objective. All those lives lost for no reason. All that misery and pain inflicted for what? They were never going to budge the British from the six counties militarily. The fact that the head of the IRA nutting squad was on the British payroll makes it laughable the whole concept of killing informers. What must Jean McConville's children think. God love them left orphaned and for what?

Too much about Sinn Fein/IRA is opaque and particularly in relation to the past. Protestants in the North have every right to see our political parties in the south as hypocrites for their reluctance to go into Govt with SF.

If SF ever become the majority party in the south I fear what might happen. They will try to create some type of socialist utopia which we can't afford and/or engage in economic policies which spook the markets and lead to the chaos Britain had under Truss/Kwarteng.

Funny to see traditional SF voters holding up posters of McDonald calling her a traitor.

The next GE might not be the walkover SF thought it was going to be.

Disgusting to see "political party's" trying to exploit the dead for their own grimy agendas

scumbags

Family of republican martyr Peadar Clancy clashes with Sinn Féin over use of his name – The Irish Times

Chris is a wonderful example of the hypocrisy of the shinnerbot online mobs.

He was co-opted onto Sligo County Council to take his father's seat in 2017, and was co-opted into the European Parliament to take Matt Carthy's seat in 2020.

If he was of a different political persuasion the mob would have the pitchforks out screaming nepotism - but he's one of their own so it all gets swept under the carpet. Much like they stick the head in the sand over his voting record on Russian matters tbf.

I wonder if mlm will have trouble going on the annual Paddys day money grab in NYC given the party's now clear links to organized crime 😶

Ah lads, you're scraping the barrel trying to sell this as a big scoop.

I've been clear enough over time on where I stand on the Shinners and their economic incompetence, but this is thread is turning into a fairly desperate circle jerk.

Nearly feel like we need to get your fella with the heap of Shinner accounts back just to break up the echo chamber a bit 😂

There are an awful lot of oversights in Sinn Fein. Not capable of running a political party it seems, makes you wonder how they could run a country.

Not a big problem for them as long as those worked up about refugees & immigrants have nobody credible with an opposing line on the issue to vote for. The other left parties who would generally be the alternative for SF's working class base are more or less all even more pro-immigrant/refugee.

Could be a sickener there 😯

Bunch off knuckle draggers it would be more in their line to go out and get a job biggest crowd off wasters on the island.

That's a surprise if true. I would have thought that there would be loads of ambitious political animals who would see SF as an east route to election rather than one of the traditional parties. The same way MLM herself and other like Chris Andrews used SF to their advantage when they were not getting anywhere in FF.

Life as a Sinn Fein councillor is a bed of roses, just with many more thorns than flowers.

Unlike other parties, you don't get to have any views independent from central control.

It also means that they will have less input into planning policy and that would be problematic for SF.

Another example of Shinneromics. O'Dowd freezes public transport fares but doesn't have any money to pay for them. Once the adults come along and have a look at what Sinn Fein have done, a 7% increase in fares is required to balance the books.

The reason why areas such as the Department of Infrastructure in the North are underfunded is because the parties in the North - SF and DUP - decided to increase social welfare rates instead. In another example of where that government has failed miserably, we are looking at huge cuts in education. All of this is due to local failures over many years.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-64417408

I've become disillusioned with politics in the last year, and even SF. They're trying to normalise and now give the bluster of every other party.

If they get in little will change, for better or worse. There's little point I've found debating the pros and cons of any parties economic policy or whatever.

It comes down to one thing, who'll be perceived to fight the corner of the people. FF and FG harped on about "new politics" and nothing changed. They have the backs of big businesses and the money men.

As useless or ineffectual as SF will be in government in reality, they aren't quite as corrupted in playing the game of politics...yet. All people really want is to see is someone fight their corner.

SF go along way closer to fighting, or appearing, to fight the corner of the people. And if they are true to their world, and stick it to the bank's and big businesses when they get in, most people will be happy

Even if it has little effect, or things go downhill, all people really want is that. It's something FF/FG have repeatedly failed to give to the people, despite corruption and scandal sky high, they refuse to change, or are that arrogant and out of touch can't or won't change.

How is it so hard to be seen to be on the side of the people, not big business men and high finance?

I don't mean stick it to them and run them out of the country, little will change really, just scaremongering to say otherwise. I mean more in regards to stuff like vulture funds being allowed to operate as they currently do, protected by the law etc.

The other half works in mortgage arrears and isn't from this country, reckons Ireland is the most legally corrupt country in the western world. Says when things need to be done or signed off by representatives, SF are the only party who actively do anything, and generally act quickly . When she has to deal with local councillors, SF are the only ones doing anything on the ground, in terms of tangibly helping people and being proactive, she'll always go to them first for anything, if possible.

And as I said she's not from here, she can only judge the parties from her own experience, and SF are the only ones working on behalf of the people day to day, the rest useless and will do nothing. Make of that what you will