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General British politics discussion thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,050 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I look more like my 17yo 1st year college self from 20 years ago than my granny looked 20 years after getting her travel card.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,746 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Boris is still not over being ousted from a job where he was able to do nothing for anyone when it didn't benefit him personally...




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,727 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    An incredible listen.

    Essentially, Lee Anderson is asked by the interviewer about the stunt he tried to pull by having a friend pretend to be a Labour voter who'd flipped blue. The friend embarrassed him by suggesting that they support torture. He gets asked about it here and just pretends that he's grand because the interviewer may have lied at some point in her whole life.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,419 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    The usual dismal by-election turnout (31%) in this. Conservative vote fell to 25.4% which is at the lower end of what I expected, so no sign that Sunak is arresting the slide. Also at 4% Reform UK don't seem to be gaining any traction at all.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,727 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    By-elections are a poor metric but I would expect a party like Reform UK to make gains. This bodes well for a GE but they could be useful in splitting the right wing vote.

    I think Sunak is done. He's completely unable to enforce any degree of discipline whatsoever.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The arch Brexiteers high dudgeon over this while entertaining must be devastating omen for those who have careers in these industries in Britain. These kinds of things are going to increase rather than decrease with the whole EU benefitting.

    It's clearly not just the tax regime either. Britain is fast becoming the sick person of Europe.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,727 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    This is more of a topic for the Brexit thread. The sick man of Europe analogy is only going to prove more and more correct as time goes on. Business and investment require stability, they can't do without it. Proposing to burn thousands of laws they didn't know existed is the Tories deploying scorched earth tactics for ideological reasons.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    This is more of a topic for the Brexit thread. 


    I thought of posting it there, but it's the general political malaise in the UK that has led to Brexit and this.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,497 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    There's always going to be crossover between this thread and the Brexit one: it's unavoidable given how gargantuan the folly has come to dominate UK Politics. Arguably even the mere shape the Tory party and government has taken is down to Brexit. Would we have PM Sunak otherwise?

    In this instance though, I'd say this was more appropriate to the Brexit thread, as it has tended to include the various "Brexit Benefits" and clear econmic losses caused by ejecting the country out of economic stability.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,625 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Sunak is incredibly weak. Allowing Johonson to swan around acting like the PM without any rebuke, allowing Truss to take to the airwaves over her side of her failure and criticism of his policies.

    The man has a massive majority but has no power. Failing to deal with Raab, failing to deal with Zuhawi until he had no other option.

    He was supposed to be the broom to sweep away the dirt of the previous years but has failed spectacularly to impose anything approaching a policy agenda or even a leadership style.

    Total disaster. At best he may stop the downward trajectory but can't see how he could persuade anyone to vote tory at an election



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,727 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Fair enough.

    As an aside, where in Ireland is the new manufacturing facility going to be located?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Saw Dublin mentioned on Twitter...but not official.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,050 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,727 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Agreed. I think the appointment of Lee Anderson is supposed to shore up his credentials with the vociferous right. He somehow acquired a reputation as a remainer that's been haunting him despite him being a Eurosceptic since his teens.

    A good PM would struggle with Johnson and Truss in fairness. There's nothing he can really do about Johnson and Truss is unlikely to cause any sort of serious issue. He can't sack Johnson as that would only add to his betrayal narrative and he can't follow Johnson's lead or he'd have even less authority. Of course, he alone is responsible for drinking from the poisoned chalice he so desperately fought to attain.

    He's just stuck with a fractious party devoid of talent or intellect. There's nothing he can do which begs the question of why he's even bothering with the job at all. I can't think of a single thing he's actually done aside from legitimise corruption.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,727 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    A shame. Way too expensive to live there. Ah well.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,994 ✭✭✭ambro25


    Well, the Tories keep normalising ever shriller levels of othering, now with Lee Anderson…and then eventually, stuff like this happens:

    This is on Braverman and Patel.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,050 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,383 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Love this line - it's so Brexity.

    "Fringe forces of the far left are plotting to take away our freedom to be stuck in traffic jams..."

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,497 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I will say that when it comes to Big Urban Development Ideas, there is usually something unforeseen that turns them into nightmares... but the manner in which the UK right-wing has adopted the histrionic rhetoric of the American Outrage Industry is quite depressing. There are probably good questions to ask about this 15 Minute City idea (I'll be honest, I hadn't heard of it before you posted about it), but you won't get that conversation now that it has instantly become a hardened Left v. Right issue, nuance be damned.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,727 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'll confess that my knowledge is lacking. I know that it's a French idea (always auspicious on this side of the channel) and I heard it mentioned on a podcast. I'd be a bit concerned that it's something for the middle classes where they have everything at their doorstep while the likes of cleaners, cooks, station staff, etc must trudge into work regardless.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,050 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's just an ideal or theory amongst architects and planners that is blown way out of proportion by people who link cycling to the culture wars and by lunatics who believe that 15min city means we will all be locked into our 15min zone like Covid lockdown.

    Debate pros and cons of urban transport all you want but you be laughed out of the house for blabbing on about "socialist far-left" pedestrianisation plots.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It just means that cities should be planned so all (or most) amenities are within a 15 min walk or cycle.

    There are elements of nudging behaviour attached such as LTNs and encouraging usage of ring roads over using local roads if going a longer distance. But if all amenities are within 15 min you won't be going further that often.

    Its just an ideal to aim for in city planning. The response to it is utter batshit insanity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,548 ✭✭✭political analyst


    The Tories' mantra about the recommendations made by the so-called independent public-sector pay-review body is baffling. It's as if they are privately resigned to losing the next UK general election.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    I was wondering as long ago as 2021 whether they had already written off the election. My view was they had already decided to use their large majority while they still had it to press ahead with whatever pet ideas their backers had, and the Mini Budget was the eventual result.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,548 ✭✭✭political analyst




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,309 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    What ever the outcome in increase it will be demanded by the other groups as well; funny fact but Tesco has raised their salaries for employees three times in the last 12 months. The latest 7% coming into effect in april this year (to compare with the 3.5% offered by the government).



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,746 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Registered Users Posts: 26,050 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It wasn't really all that "wow" a response in fairness. Also "watch her tone" wasn't actually said.

    Of course the whole thing is still a joke but there's nothing shocking about that exchange.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,746 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    No, whilst he didn't say the phrase, he did advise members to think about how they approach the topic. Anyhow, surely it is the role of the Speaker of the House to challenge how a question is asked, not the relevant Minister.

    My posting the vid was more to highlight the dismissal of the issue around voter ID simply because of the feeble reasons he gave. He didn't address the reality that it is now easier for some people to cast their vote than it is for others. And it just so happens that those others are less likely to vote Tory!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,050 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The opposition are constantly advising on how to approach a topic. We do it here all the time when commenting on how the Tories approach the refugee topic.

    Suggesting he told a female MP to "watch her tone" has certain connotations.

    I'm completely against how voter ID has been handled and the fact that it's happening at all but the answer he gave is pretty much what I would expect.



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