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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    It's not complicated.

    Putin chanced his arm and won't back down, not even to save 100's of 1,000's of lives.

    Ukraine have done exceptionally well so far, using the equipment supplied.

    It's hardly unrealistic to expect that they do BETTER with MORE.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case




  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    10 people have thanked your post even though there are two glaring falsehoods therein. That they don't politely correct you speaks volumes.

    Crimea was ceded to Ukraine in 1954 NOT 1991.

    As for Russia retaking Crimea in order to block Ukrainian access to the Black Sea. If you look at a map you'll see that Odessa, Kherson and Mariupol are all on the Black Sea.



  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    Can't access it on home computer in Dublin. Friend in UK can't either. Couldn't access it in Belgium over the weekend.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    Wanna support genocide?Cheer on the murder of women and children?The Ruzzians aren't rapey enough for you? Morally bankrupt cockroaches and islamaphobes , Israel needs your help NOW!!

    http://tinyurl.com/2ksb4ejk


    https://www.btselem.org/



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  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,802 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Skutter pump activated again.

    I see WWII history is being rewritten now.

    Guess when the lies become so great you just rewrite history eh? Then again that's right out of the Kremlin playbook.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What relevant advantage are you talking about… targets for the enemy?



  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    Do you have a source for this claim? Is it the official Russian position?

    So Russian help Syria by bombing ISIS inside Syria yet insist that they shouldn't get Earthquake relief aid? Is that what you are trying to say?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao




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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,819 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Because a poor equipped soldier with high motivation can shoot his rifle out of hole in a wrecked building and drop an elite trained soldier, he can hide from the response and drop another one later on, he will die himself but he'll have buried a lot before that.


    You don't have to be a military genius to figure out how urban warfare is so costly for attackers.


    There probably isnt a building in Bakhmut that hasn't the roof or at least 2 walls blown out yet its not been enough to dislodge the Ukrainian forces.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Hope you can receive this in cloud Cuckoo land. But, If the Russians were a 10th as capable as you desired they’d be in Kiev months ago. Russian military and precision/pin point attacking only belong in the same sentence if in a joke or pointing out the obvious ridiculous like your assertion. LOL!

    A Western loss = a savage Russia winning. Fuk that for a game of soldiers!



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Even if true, then it would just be the beginning of an insurgency.

    And one which would outlive Vlad too.

    A financial sinkhole, on top of the present cost. The west will maintain indefinite sanctions too. Pissing on the prize. Russia is fighting for a medal covered in piss. Heres your prize after all your loss and strain, 1 piss drenched medal. Was it worth it?

    Nobody will choose to live anywhere managed by Russia, Donbas, Luhansk will be impoverished, no western or western affiliated business will invest there, or buy from there. Cities with few people and dead end local economies. Corruption will naturally be endemic, just Russia.

    Any Russian managed territory will miserably look on as the free parts of Ukraine, and/or neighboring EU countries live like relative kings. Bit by bit theyll leave.

    Berlin wall 2.0 will happen. And that will fail too.

    A blind obsession to win, never mind that the prize is going to be a burnt out turd of a territory, more trouble than worth.

    Theres no prize at the end of all this which matches the combined costs, past, present, and future. Russia could have simply not invaded and ended up way better off.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    i'm not sure if you are referring to me but when did I say that Crimea was given to Ukraine in 1991?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    In consideration of your post, my considered reply is… you are deluded.

    More importantly, Russophiles sound be very familiar with defeat and be more than capable of spelling the words lose/losing. I make mistakes myself (aka incorrect autocorrect 😝) but some are more painful than others to read. TIA.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,407 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Thanks for the latest from the Kremlin. Now back to reality with Bob.

    Bob....

    All Eyes On Rafah



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    But not quite so prescient as to "correctly predicted how Russia would loose a war with Ukraine." Russia hasn't lost the war with Ukraine (not to speak of not having a hope of winning it) such as to make the prediction correct.

    What is a Ukrainian win btw? For me, a Russian victory is the taking of Donbass, Odessa and the landlocking of Ukraine. allied with the unconditional surrender of Kiev and the fall of the US government there.


    Suffice to say, the world needs the US to loose.

    Russia has already lost, even if they swarmed across Ukraine to the Polish border by next weekend. Their economy is heavily affected. That they keep swearing it's not to anyone who will listen is a sure sign of that. Just like HIMARS didn't matter, but mattered enough that they now have to manhandle supplies to the front over much longer distances because of them. They've lost their massive financial stream from Europe, where the vast majority of their pipelines went, not to their apparent "friends", who they're selling off their oil to at an operating loss.

    They're cut off from most of Western investment, finance, insurance and shipping for the foreseeable future and trying to get a couple of small African nations on side won't replace that. Never mind that they have to go to Iran and North Korea for arms supply. Their aeropsace industry has fallen off a cliff. Internal flights are a less than a tenth of what they were before this. Even their "homegrown" airliners used Western engines and avionics as it's not the Soviet Union any more.

    They've also increased the number of countries to jostling to join NATO and have effectively cut themselves off from Europe for the foreseeable future, while Europe and elsewhere is looking to rearm.

    BRICS? They'll be a junior partner there as China alone are vastly bigger than them economically and going by Ukraine militarily with it, and there isn't exactly a lot of love lost there anyway. China's trade with Europe and the US and vice versa is ten times what it is with Russia, never mind markets like Australia, Japan etc. The Chinese are not hotheaded fools and know the score. No? Watch what happened when the West banned Russia's impounded Boeing and Airbus fleets from their airspaces. The Chinese banned them too within the week. What does that tell you?

    On top of their already existing serious demographic problem that was so bad they were paying mothers thousands to have kids, since this war many tens of thousands of mostly young Russians have joined the many that left before and while we can debate the figures fired out by both sides, they're certainly and directly losing many thousands in Ukraine. Now the EU had her own demographic stagnation, but it wasn't as bad as Russia's and now because of this moronic war they've gone and "gifted" millions of mostly young Europeans to the same EU, many of whom will stay. If Russia actually "wins" in Ukraine that number will grow again

    As for the war itself? They've lost 50% of their gains and the front hasn't moved in months. They've been chopping and changing commanders with the wind, while relying on private armies to do much of the heavy lifting. They're hiding their fleet from a nation that doesn't have a navy, they don't have anything like air superiority and can't seem to do combined arms warfare with anything approaching skill. Their tactics are old school WW2 stuff; hammer with artillery, throw in wave after wave of bullet stoppers, then send in their better troops and as I said still the front hasn't moved in months.

    As for the government in Kiev; you want it back to a Russian government, another vassal like Belarus. The fact they looked West was enough for putin to have a fit.

    As for America losing. They've come out of this the better of it so far. Again even if Russia "won" Ukraine next week, the US has spent what amounts to a pittance for them. They've gained huge amounts of intel on Russian forces, gained valuable lessons in how Russia fights and saw how their weapons platforms work in the real world. Economically? The US' economy is so massive it makes Russia's look like a small nation in Europe. Hell, Ireland had more exports than Russia last year and Russia has a population nearly 30 times larger and has infinitely more natural resources. The Chinese will most certainly keep dealing with the US and vice versa with the usual back and forth sabre rattling, so long as it doesn't affect bottom lines, ditto for the EU.

    BTW you forgot to add in that Zelensky is a billionaire cocaine sniffer whose wife spends squillions in Parisien boutiques. That Ukraine would still love Mother Russia if those dastardly Americans hadn't turned their heads. Yet Russia wasn't welcomed in with open arms by their Ukrainian "brothers"? Hmmm... Plus look at behind the lines attacks. They're all behind the Russian lines in "their" Ukraine. Bugger all such attacks behind Ukrainian lines. What does that tell you? I'd throw in child soldiers, biolabs, dirty nuclear bombs and weaponised mosquitos too. And I wonder what happened to the Russian claims of chemical warfare last week? That caught amnesia even faster than usual for Russian scuttlebutt. Even the Yanks had the cop on to give up on the WMD BS when the jig was up.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    I cannot access rt.com.

    Normal browser. Normal computer. Ireland.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Those are Bradleys. Not the absolute latest and greatest variant thereof, but good enough.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,876 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Dispatches Tonight 10pm Channel 4 sounds fun.


    The extraordinary story of Russia's covert attempts to corrupt British politics, influence government policy and undermine our democracy in the years before the invasion of Ukraine. Over the past 12 years, donors with links to Russia have poured millions into the coffers of the ruling Conservative Party. Dispatches reveals how senior politicians ignored the warnings about President Putin to the detriment of our national security, how political activists were encouraged to visit a Moscow strip club, and hears allegations concerning a Russian 'diplomat' seeking information from a government minister over a pint in a pub



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,819 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    His point that the German forces in Western Europe were small in number and more often older and poorer equipped is correct.


    The counter offensive part of the battle of Kursk saw about 3.5mn on the field from both sides and half a million boxed by the end of it, over about 5 weeks.


    The scale of the Eastern front isn't understood, 8 out of 10 axis soldiers died in the Eastern front.


    That's not much use 80 years later when a year in to a bloody war and Ivan and the Comrades are a bicycle ride from where they were at the start of last year, it actually makes it worse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    Thank you. Jesus I had to ask the question a dozen times before an honest person could answer it.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    To be fair SeanMD, Russia's "Official History" of WW2 is sketchy to say the least. Never mind they put the date of the start of it in 41, handily avoiding the fact they were supplying nazi Germany with vast amounts of oil, steel and grain while WW2 in Europe had already been going on for two years. And handily avoiding that they agreed with the same Nazi Germany to carve up Eastern Europe between them. Just ask the Poles. And handily avoiding the fact that they were the ones to directly help Germany arm up before the Austrian corporal even showed up. This is a map of such bases in said cooperation between them. At one point the Soviet Union even got into talks to join the AXIS.

    And then hitler broke the deal. Only then did "The Great Patriotic War" break out. Funny that. A war they would have almost certainly lost without the huge supplies of materiel and food the Allies sent by way of lend lease, which Comrade Stalin himself recognised and acknowledged.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,819 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    What's neglected as well is that the Poles while being poorly equipped were destroying German armour at a furious rate, about one third up to the Soviet forces invading and splitting them.


    Poland would still have lost but Germany would have been deeply wounded without help from its Communist comrades.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Not true at all .


    Ukraine are not done , Ukraine are winning and will keep winning



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It was 20Wheel that answered you, not Jesus. He's also likely to be like minded to yourself - 20wheel that is.

    Anyway, you are calling people liars that say they can access RT.com from Ireland simply through their regular browser - if the mods can do likewise are you okay for them to ban you for calling people liars that the mods can prove were telling the truth?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,089 ✭✭✭threeball


    It was on your favourite channel. Maybe if you knew how to use a search bar you'd have seen it. Correct horse staple battery, you might do the honours and show this kremlin pawn the link.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,053 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Frankly, no one here except you gives a crap about RT. Nobody.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,008 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    No point in providing a link, using the internet is beyond him. You hear a lot about “useful idiots”, but it’s rare to come across such a useless one.



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