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Galway City Population Growth Stagnating

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,929 ✭✭✭beardybrewer


    They're probably delighted. The council have no interest in growing this city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    I would say there a number of factors.

    1.Cost of housing, we are one of the more expensive locations in Ireland.

    2. Traffic is horrendous and Galway has received very negative press regarding the Ring Road, it has been held up for years now and people considering moving here factor this into their decision.

    3.Climate,most see Galway as the rain capital of the world😀 not entirely true but it is a damp spot.

    4.The perception that Galway is a frivolous place, great for the weekend away and a party but not to be taken seriously as a place to live.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭rustyfrog


    I'd say traffic is a big part of it, it can have a big impact on your lifestyle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭topcat77


    it's had for any city to grow when there's a housing shortage. Where would the new arrivals live?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I doubt our council worry too much about anything. Shambolic. Our traffic disaster is infamous now.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,161 ✭✭✭what_traffic



    Cost of housing is an indicator of desirability. After Cork City - Galway City is next in line.

    The article compares Galway City with Leitrim - which is really daft to be honest.

    There is faster population growth occurring just outside the City Admin Boundary in the satellite towns. Our public transport infrastructure is lagging behind but there are more and more house and apartment building occurring and been planned.

    We really need to spend on rail, bus, tram to link up the Galway City area's and the wider area then can increase the density of the existing City Boundary.

    There are plans for a new suburb to be built in Ardaun but there is plenty of potential for the population density of the City in the existing City Admin Boundary to increase back to what it was back in the 60/70's. At what rate is the question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    As a Clareman who visits Galway and Limerick regularly I think the failure to get the ring road built will prove a major restraint on the development of Galway city. I am not talking about the implications for city traffic but rather the development potential that the new road would have allowed for. The ring road would have bisected all the main roads leading in to the city affording a huge amount of land and key junctions on which apartment blocks and houses could have been built. Galway city, extended, would have grown rapidly as a consequence imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭Dexpat


    The figures in the tribune article of 4% growth are just wrong. It uses the Galway city and suburbs figure from 2016 of 79,934 and compares it to the Galway City local authority area in the 2022 census.

    The actual growth for the local authority area was actually about 6%. 78,667 compared to 83,456. The new city and suburbs figure will be published by the CSO in May I think. It will only be a few thousand more, as the council area covers the vast majority of the urban area unlike Limerick.

    Limerick's city and suburbs figure will also be about 6% higher as a comparison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,846 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Like all Irish cities ...

    Too expensive.

    Poor public transport.

    Car dependency, gridlock.

    Build out instead of up mentality.

    Not in my back yard culture.

    Inability to deal with anti social behaviour.

    City planners unable to do their job. Much higher density and much more functional and vibrant cities have been built across the world for centuries. It's not rocket science.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,289 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Irish people don't aspire to live in cities. They have no incentive to do them well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭rustyfrog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    Whilst I agree somewhat to the first part, I'd disagree on the second.

    No longer live in the city and love where I am, but I still want to traverse the city without pulling my hair out.

    I wanted the ring road and would still like it built if it didn't take away from other projects and schemes to move people around the city. I think the city is stuck in a quagmire and will only move forward with wholesale changes to the political and cultural landscapes.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I said it. Without the ring road Galway is at capacity, and more people realise that.

    +



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭crusd


    Population growth for the county was 7.1%. This would have been concentrated in the non city council areas surrounding the City. The urban area defined as Galway city needs to be expanded to Include Oranmore, Barna,Claregalway and surroundings and also planning for the city should reasonably probably also incorporate Moycullen, Athenry, Furbo and surroundings as by an large growth in these areas is a function of proximity to the city.

    A conservative estimate would put the effective Galway city population currently at 100,000. Grow this at 7.1% every 5 years and by 2050 you are up to 150k. That would just incorporate the area in red below




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 468 ✭✭thebackbar


    Surely resolving the cities sewage processing infrastructure is the key to unlocking more housing within the city, not the ring road ! https://connachttribune.ie/galway-caught-well-short-on-sewage-plant/ The council has been talking about Ardaun for nearly 20 years yet the infrastructure still does not exist to connect it to mutton island. ! maybe im talking $hit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭GBXI




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭GBXI


    Infrastructure other than roads (incl. cycle lanes, footpaths) - like sewage, water, electrics, parks, badly need improving as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭Daisy78


    This absolutely. Very little housing development in the last 10 years or so when compared with other large urban centres. Property pages in local newspapers seem to solely feature existing properties for sale with very few new developments advertised.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You speak as if both can’t be true.

    where does the construction traffic go?

    the road.

    where does the extra busses go?

    the road.

    mark my words, the stunted growth numbers that have plagued Connemara are about to show up in Galway city statistics, and the politicos are going to “guns don’t kill people people kill people” about why.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Two things are going to be in the news i ten years in the city:

    1- the stagation in growth of the city.

    2-the traffic being snarled up.

    Of course the politicos will tell us all why it's not their cause celebre's fault, but there'll be an impression amongst the "layfolk" as you'd call them that they're linked. And the more 1 and 2 goes on, the louder the voices will be calling for the change needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,380 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    the only barrier to growth in the city to date has been housing

    there are not enough houses to rent, or to buy, in galway city. The stagnating growth of the city has nothing to do with the traffic and everything to do with there not being enough new houses.

    Complaints about traffic in galway and the ring road needing built have been around for several decades - in that time the city grew hugely despite being choked with traffic. Current traffic woes are not new you know



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    You haven't the lotto numbers for that year too by any chance?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Mark my words, in ten years I'll be able to quote this exact passage and juxtapose it with a Green party spokesperson re-iterating the new road proposal is "not the answer to galway's 40 year old traffic problems."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    I think I read somewhere that Mutton Island is already at capacity? No point making new connections that will overload the infrastructure there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭rustyfrog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,161 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Great post - this is so true.

    It is still occurring right now and will continue to happen.

    More density - more services available in your local neighbourhood.

    It is more expensive to provide initially - but over the long run it will be cheaper.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Compo82


    This is 100% correct. There are people living in Galway that are very happy for Galway not to grow or develop at all. They like the status quo and prefer if Galway was still a small city.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yep. The “LOCAL town for LOCAL people” mob getting together with the wider Green movement to stab at the heart of growth in Galway.

    Stunting growth is a negative to most people with ideas of growing a family near home & neutrals. But for Localists and Greens, it has its positives

    Localists see a restraint on strangers moving in.

    Greens see less human activity, which helps with rewilding, less pressure on natural resources & less human waste spoiling the natural area.

    It’s in both their interests to gum up & prevent development, especiually when the golden opportunity of a chokepoint bridge system means the lack of outsiders/development can stretch for half a county. Problem for the Greens though, is they don’t like it when the “LOCAL ONLY” crowd then turn around & reject cycle lanes! Oh well…

    The Wider Green Movement will talk about the “right” kind of development (PT, active travel, modal shift, ecoablism shoeboxing etc etc), but in the absence of that they want the alternative to be none at all. In most places they can’t enforce that. With the geography of the river, bay and lake, here they can.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,161 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    I do believe Galway City has the most non-native residents of any City in the entire Country. Sorry to destroy the myth you have about this. But maybe the CSO are fiddling the numbers in your head?

    and

    https://connachttribune.ie/galway-city-irelands-capital-multi-culture-077/



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Happy to be rebutted by census data, but that article is 5 years old. I believe the “3% cross the city” stat is even older. So if both “there are more non natives here” and “the city is not growing at the rate we anticipated” is true, where does that leave us? (That’s not rhetorical. I’m actually asking!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,161 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Where does that leave us. VERY HIGH rents.

    https://connachttribune.ie/city-rents-rise-by-157-in-a-decade-687/

    City Council is a mess.

    They cannot plan to get there "own" Developments over the line. How embarrassing. They have so called professionals planning this stuff

    https://connachttribune.ie/councillors-plea-to-bord-pleanala-just%e2%80%88give-us-something-to-build-on-676/

    and they cannot get the staff


    Its all interlinked by what a mess City Hall is in, but I do not believe that the Galway City people/populace (whatever political persuasion are hostile to strangers moving into the City) The CS0 data is from the last CENSUS shows this - is there any evidence there has been a flight of non-local people from the City since then? No.

    City is growing slower than in the past; but really down to the City Executive/Professionals been in such an organisational mess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭GBXI


    Correct. Definitely the biggest impediment to growth in Galway. It's why I often say the place lacks ambition compared to Cork, for example. Leaders in the business community are the only hope of change.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 Hildago


    I lived in Galway for 5 years and moved away at the end of 2019. I loved it at the time - I was in my twenties, moved there to do a masters and stayed another four years when I got my first job after college. Had lots of friends living around the city, enjoyed going out etc. As my thirties loomed and I started thinking about where I wanted to settle long term, Galway wasn't all that appealing due to three main reasons:

    1. Traffic. It's a joke and there's not a decent, reliable public transport system round the city to use as an alternative. Heaven forbid there's a breakdown or accident anywhere in the city, the whole place seems to come to a standstill. It was draining sitting in that traffic everyday.
    2. The city centre has been developed to cater to students and tourists, which is probably why I enjoyed living there so much in my twenties. Great spot for eating out, going for a drink, heading to one of the many festivals in summer, beer tenting at Christmas, but if you want to go shopping, you're wasting your time. There's plenty of county towns around the country that have shopping that's on par or better than Galway e.g. Athlone, Sligo to name two that are within a reasonable distance of Galway itself.
    3. Rain. I know it rains everywhere in Ireland but Galway just seems to be on another level.
    4. I might have made peace with the three points above if the cost of buying a house in or around Galway wasn't so prohibitive but given the traffic and the fact that it's essentially a student/tourist town in which it pisses down rain for 364 days of the year, the housing market is a farce. Total rip off. Why would I want to pay that much for that kind of lifestyle?

    People from outside of Galway City see it as somewhere people go to college for a few years or as a nice spot to go for a weekend away. Galway hasn't been developed to meet the needs of the average person who wants to build a life somewhere. It's a pity, I would have loved to have stayed there as I have plenty of friends who've decided to stay (for another few years at least) but to be honest, I don't envy them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    I agree. As I said previously I generally visit Galway or Limerick on a 'day trip'. For decades, Galway was the more attractive! There was a buzz about the city and it appeared to be about to develop dramatically. Limerick meanwhile was being left behind. However, there's a significant rejuvenation underway in Limerick City which will take a number of years to bring to fruition but when it does a lot of Galwegians, who have become complacent imo, might be very surprised at how both cities compare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,161 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    "A Tale of Two City's"

    Galway Councils wants to emulate what Limerick City has done, i.e create a Doughnut City and Limerick Council want to emulate what Galway City has currently - a busy City core. The two will meet somewhere in the middle I reckon - neither are going to be very successful in achieving those outcomes by the looks of it in the short term.



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