Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Throw a happy meal meal at him and he will sit quietly enough

Oh sweet jeasus, another one.

Maybe I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, tell me, what in your opinion should Ukraine and Russia do to stop this war ?

To be honest even Ukraine is not immune to political aims influencing the battlefield which is why I think they're staying in Bakhmut at all at this stage. Despite the fact that the place is heavily fortified and they're inflicting huge casualties for every inch they give and probably taking many of their own.

If Ukraine manage to stay in Bakhmut and even push Russia back on any of the marginal gains they've made, it would be an enormous middle finger to the Kremlin on the anniversary of the beginning of the war. Hugely morale boosting for the UAF. Equally demoralizing for the Russians and potentially even politically destabilizing within the Russian government itself. Wars are won with more than bullets.

Which is why again I've always subscribed to Ben Hodges idea of what victory should look like in Ukraine. And why choke-holding Crimea is so pivotal. If the Ukranians push the Russians back to the 2022 borders, yeah that's awful for the Russians but Putin could possibly survive that and Zelensky might be put under undue pressure to negotiate at that point by the west. However if Crimea is isolated then the very idea of Putins government is eroded and Russian politics as we know it may fall apart. At which point cleaning the russians town by town out of the East may not even need to happen.

Actually MudSpud, its the burning question of the day, and more interestingly and important, when it will happen. But happen it will !!!

I indirectly acknowledged the targetting of civilians in my post, i'm well aware.

Should civilians not be provided with as many safeguards as possible or do we ignore the basics because their chance of being targetted anyway is high? For the sake of a bit of paint, and what is at stake, I think they at least deserve an attempt at preserving their lives, even if it only saves one.

Another one means a brand new poster who supports the Russian side. They often don't come into the threads openly supportive of Russia though, not initially. They aren't debating in any sort of good faith. They're generally just there to wind up or pollute the thread with scutter. There's still an ongoing one right now on this thread who I'm amazed has avoided being banned so long.

They opt to skirt around the issue by equating both sides to each other morally or demanding that peace should be sought immediately regardless of consequence. There's nothing aggressive in my post.

So what's your stance on Russias invasion? Morally speaking?

MudSpud

Well MudSpud, three things are crystal clear from your comment.

(1) You know little or nothing about vehicle maintenance and repair's except maybe to pay the repair bill from the workshop. You think that there will be multitude of non-standard vehicles confiscated, DeLoreans and Morris Oxfords??? Really? As for mechanical skills, guess what, Ukrainian Mechanics know their jobs very well ( as do Polish and Russian ones, the ones that I've worked with, here and abroad) As for spare parts, in Ireland, if you order any part before 11 am, 90%+ of the time, you will have it following morning or afternoon. Same service available throughout the EU, which includes Poland, so also Ukraine.

(2) Likewise, you possibly know even less about Logistic's than you know about Vehicles. (If that's possible) AND 3rd:-

(3) The nearest you have ever come to a front line is what you have seen on TV.

The best you can come up with are sarcastic and derogatory remarks MudSpud.

Yeah,,, thats your standard.

Russians are shooting everything and anything that comes in their sights..Men, Women, Children, Hospitals, Cemetery's, Apartment blocks, Nurserys Playschools, anything, literally, marked or unmarked. There is no mercy shown by Russian military, not even to their own,when the situation demands it. especially when the situation demands it,,,,there has been reports of Russian officers shooting their own wounded soldiers, rather than rescue them.

Again, i'm not disputing Russian targetting of civilians and civilian infrastructure. I know Russians are targetting civilians, it's impossible to dispute for anyone with a pair of eyes and an internet connection.

My point is that the high risk of civilian targetting shouldn't prevent measures being taken to protect them and clearly distinguishing them from military personnel seems like something they themselves might appreciate but it also makes sense logistically within the military to be able to identify your own troops from civilians.

Any artist on here? Freaky-

Yes, SortingYouOut, and I agree 100% with you, as would any right thinking human being, and in the most cases, Country's will do everything in their power to protect their citizens, as indeed Ukraine is doing now and has been doing since the beginning of Putins illegal invasion. Every possible protective measure that can be taken is being taken. The problem is on the Russian side. Putin does not care about human life ( except for his own, and his Family) either Ukrainian or Russian. So normal human behavior goes out the window when it comes to him, and its reflected in his military and their behavior. What can you expect when you press gang murderous and rapacious convicts from your prisons? You can expect murderous and rapacious results, and that's what we are seeing, unfortunately.

Nightmare fuel

The f18 is being continually updated and in Most cases already replaced with super hornets,yes the B2 is similar age to the mig31 but Still untouchable,and yes the b52 is heading towards a century of flight if the US keeps it flying,still very few aircraft can drop it's payload,but as we already seen the B2 is going to replaced with the B21 raider and the f22 is getting replaced ,

Where the mig31 is a one trick pony fly in a straight line fast and not a lot else ,yes gets radars and so on ,but it's a dragster big old Russian engines capable of mach 3 for relatively short period before risking failures , nothing has really changed since the Soviet era aircraft and doctrine for Russia,they did move to thrust vectoring for several aircraft which makes for great aerobatics during airshows , but it's next to useless in aircombat where your getting hit with a missle long before you get to see who's actually shooting

Yes, but as it happens, it is a shade of military green, and carrying the Ukrainian Flag ( plus the German one) but equally, it could have been any other color too once its flagged. I've just watched some convoys heading into Turkey from Syria, and the vehicles are all shapes and sizes, but all are marked as been in the convoy.