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Lisbon

  • 13-02-2023 8:28pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭ALB2022


    Arrived in Lisbon this morning and staying along the seafront down beside what seems to be their DOJ.

    Seems a very nice functioning city, but the thing that jumps out, despite a massive police presence, is the number of dodgy characters on every Main Street.

    I’m here with my family and I’ve already been approached 3 separate times to buy drugs, before 5pm.

    It’s odd in that it feels reasonably safe, probably because of the huge police presence and its a Monday afternoon, but the hassle from dealers and street traders wasn’t something I was expecting.

    I don’t particularly mind, just surprised me. Anyone else have same experience?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭endofrainbow


    Try walking around Dublin - same thing.



  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    Drugs have been decriminalized in Portugal. I was offered drugs a good few times on the street in Lisbon and Porto. Didn't get any hassle for ignoring them. Lisbon felt pretty safe when I was there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭mr j tayto


    Was there a couple of weeks back. I found it ok to be honest, got hassled by a street hustler on my last day.....easily dealt with though. Aside from that nothing at all.

    The red bus is a great way to see the best of it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭ALB2022


    Thanks for the comments.

    I didn't know drugs were decriminalised here. They're obviously happy to just let them at it and focus resources elsewhere. Maybe something to consider back home if the place feels safe despite the dealing etc. We'd need similar police presence though.

    I'll probably give the red bus a go later in the week.

    Lined up to do the Oceanarium, Main Market, Boat tour, Torre de Belen & going to see Sporting on Thursday.

    Any other tips welcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,428 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Take a trip out to Sintra and do the 2 castles. A nice town to walk around and have lunch.

    The light rail from cais de sodre to cascais is also a nice trip along the coast. A bit like the DART

    Castillio Saint George in Lisbon. Eat in the back streets around the castle. If you go where the locals go, you'll get a nice lunch for a reasonable price

    When at the oceanarium do the cable car but avoid eating in any of the cafes along the promenade. A tourist rip off.

    There is a fantastic shopping area called freeport across the vasco de gamma Bridge. All the big name stores send their end of range there with serious bargains. Think kildare village on steroids.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭ALB2022


    That's great stuff thanks.

    You're spot on with Castillio St George. I sussed out the back streets on the way up and the 4 of us ate very well on the way back for €50.

    Had the cable cars in as part of the Oceanarium but will avoid the cafes.

    Hopefully get time to do the other suggestions but like the sound of Freeport. Nice one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,820 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Very different, i had the same experience in Lisbon. Being offered cocaine whilst standing out side Zara on a Sunday morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Try walking around Limerick , Cork , Galway , Louth , etc -same thing .....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,764 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,192 ✭✭✭Patser


    Currently in Lisbon myself too, with family on a break.


    Did the Zoo today - really, really good with a full on Dolphin show

    Edit - think there was a warning no Dolphin show on Tuesday


    Also did a sunset boat trip that was nice, but then again the weather today was great for February, tomorrow and Wednesday not looking as good.


    Also worth jumping on the 28e (yellow) tram - the original old fashioned tram that goes from barrio alto Hill in the west to Alfama Hill in East with sll the churches and towers. Just rattle along and enjoy the views



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,428 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Sintra is really worth doing. There is a bus up to the castles. One built by the Moors which is a ruin and the Royal Palace with a fantastic tour of the place. A must for the kids. Walk up from the gates through the gardens.

    Freeport if you have a healthy credit limit and room in your case. (lots of it)



  • Registered Users Posts: 653 ✭✭✭Space Dog


    I'd make sure to go to the Quinta da Regaleira if going to Sintra, it's beautiful and ethereal there, kids should love the grottos, caves and secret passages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,163 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    Heading there in June, booked the accommodation today so saving this thread!



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,004 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    I got mugged in Lisbon a few years ago. I'm never going back to that tip



  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭DD Mikasa


    Would recommend anyone to base themselves in Graca while in Lisbon. It is close to the city centre and is on the 28 tram which is a must do while in the city in its own right. That is a proper local neighbourhood, with an ageing population there. You won't be offered any cocaine up there! The local restaurants up there look cheap and cheerful but the quality is fantastic. You're close to the castle too and there are some great views of the city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭fm


    My kids loved the pavilion of knowledge science museum,think we got the cable car down to it



  • Posts: 0 Jordyn Harsh Vent


    Statistically Lisbon is a safe city, but I get OP’s point that there is a good smattering of drug dependent individuals. There’s enough entirely “normal” people to dilute them and I’ve walked the length and breath of it without a problem. The greatest hazard I found was slipping on the tiles. Lisbon‘s vast seaport & estuary area and its position at the west of Europe diagonally opposite South America means a fair number of drugs shipments get landed there.



  • Posts: 0 Jordyn Harsh Vent


    Make sure to visit Estufa Fria in Parque Eduardo VII, it’s a wonderful extensive “Greenhouse” with several storeys in places. A must for any plant lovers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭ALB2022


    Thanks for all the comments.

    A few suggestions we had on the radar (Zoo / 28 Tram (now gracia included)) and a couple of things that we hadn't but are now definately on the table, time allowing, (Sintra / Quinta de Regaleira & Freeport).

    Will definately check out Comer & Beber when down the market tomorrow evening.

    I don't think anything being said above should put people off. It's a city, so for every downside you read there are thousands of good things you won't.

    Hopefully this is useful for anybody else visiting this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,807 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Pena Palace and the Moors battlements are a must see in Sintra. The aquarium is good too and make sure you do the Tram 28 trip.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    I liked the Lisbon Oceanarium when i was there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭delboythedub


    Get the train out to Cascais 30 minutes, lovely town and a lovely walk along the sea front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭theteal


    Time Out is good for a lunch if it's quiet. We went of a Saturday evening not far off a year ago, absolutely mental (as expected, not my choice) and not enjoyable. Getting 4 chairs together was an achievement. Food was alright but very over shadowed by the sheer hassle of the place. I would imagine if the OP's going today, it'll be a much more pleasant experience.

    We found the place very safe, worst bit was the dark walk back from Time out area to the streets around the hotel (the 7 hotel iirc). Quite a nice novelty eating sweet pastries on a city street at midnight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭grimm2005


    One of my favourite cities, been there around 4 or 5 times now. Being offered drugs on the main stretch of shops is quite normal due to decriminalisation but if you keep walking and take no notice there's no hassle. I never really encountered it outside that main stretch and square.

    As others have mentioned, Sintra is a must do IMO, get the train there (about 40 mins or so) and spend the day. The tourist hop on/off buses that stop outside the station are a handy way to fit in a good few of the attractions, just try and get to Sintra relatively early. I'd recommend Pena Palace (for the views alone!), the Moorish Castle and Quinta da Regaleira. A quick stop at Cabo de Roca is worth it too, the buses stop there for approx. 10 minutes for photos etc.

    If you have enough time, train to Cascais also worth a visit, more of a beach resort feel to it, so if you're looking for a beach day its worth the trip (although I'd recommend Sintra over Cascais if you only have time for one).

    Its also been mentioned, but definitely worth hopping on the 28 tram and spending a bit of time in Alfama and grabbing a bite to eat and a drink in one of the little side street restaurants. The Timeout market is a good shout as well, loads of options and a big central area with shared seating. As theteal mentions though, it can be quite manic and can be hard to even get seats for 2 during peak hours but probably be pretty chilled before or after peak lunch times mid-week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,484 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Tourist areas of Lisbon are far, far, far worse for being approached by scrotes than anywhere in Dublin.

    Just avoid that bit of the city - loads of other places where it doesn't happen - even beyond the other safer tourist areas like Belem and out at the oceanarium; I went out to a brewpub in a tunnel in an area that you could best describe as being Meath Street and had absolutely no issues like that. Bar was good too.

    The area around the main elevator and the tourist trams are pickpocket central too; just don't bother. You can get the 30s trams on the line out to Belem at certain times of the evening anyway; and the funiculars are more interesting, cheaper, quieter and less pickpockety than the elevator.


    For someone planning a trip to Lisbon - why not try Porto instead? Would strongly recommend it over Lisbon - cheaper, cleaner, no real dodgy areas for tourists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,428 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    You reminded me.

    Belem, St Jerome's cathedral and the cafe for a pasties de Belem and a coffee.

    Go in the back for seating down past the takeaway counter.

    There is also the tower at the sea wall. We'll worth a visit and climb up the stairs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭theteal


    I'm wondering why I didn't get offered any drugs now. . . .

    We went to see Idles play in the Coluseum (smashing sound in there by the way!) on the Friday of our trip, kinda place you'd expect some inebriated folk!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Been there done that, and like SW, I highly recommend it. Then get the train across the bridge to the Statue. We got a ferry back after a fantastic fish dinner near the ferry terminal on the Statue side of the river.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    I was approached numerous times offering drugs but I just shake my head and walk on. They didn’t hassle me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,428 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    It's even more fun driving across.... Its terrifying and I never get used to it. 😱 Lost count of thr number of cars on their roofs as them come off the bridge

    I've eaten in those restaurants.



  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭ALB2022


    Did a good bit today.

    Breakfast in Brunch cafe. Arrived at 9am and no seats left by 9.30 (c40 customers), easy to see why, great place. It's down beside the praca de comercio (square).

    Metro to Oceanarium (20 mins) which we enjoyed (Mallorca might be best we've been to in Europe). Went on cable cars and got off at the Myriad. Managed to get an informal tour and great view from the top but the €650 per night was a bit out of range.

    Picked up sandwiches (avoided cafe's) and got bus across Vasco de Gama Bridge (about 17km) to Freeport (20 mins). As previous poster said, very dangerous, lots of good bargains.

    Got back at 6pm, went on one of the trams and had food in Timeout Market. Getting a table for 4 wasn't easy but worth it. There was a bit of rain while we were there, good advice from poster about how slippy it gets.

    Sintra tomorrow..also booked a restaurant for Thursday called Maria Catita, looks very nice.

    As said previously by others, if you just put the head down around the centre it's fine.

    Thanks again for the tips.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Found Lisbon to be the friendliest city I've been to, went out of my way to go wandering around the gritty old parts of town which never felt anyway dangerous.

    Post edited by Montage of Feck on

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    We loved Lisbon. Never had any issues. Someone above mentioned the slippy surface in the rain? I’d suggest bringing a pair of runners, I ended up on my ear once - it’s no joke . Those street tiles get very slippy in the rain & the inclines and declines around Lisbon are to be respected.

    Three airlines flying between Dublin & Lisbon speaks volumes.

    Someone above mentioned Porto? Another great city. We combined Porto with Coimbra in our itinerary and cannot speak highly enough of both cities.

    Post edited by WishUWereHere on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,428 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    COimbra is a lovely spot. I normally drive up for a day to see friends



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  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭ALB2022


    Here a few days now and agree the people are extremely friendly and helpful. The 'issue' noticed on the first day seems to be concentrated from about half way down the main and off streets leading to the Praca do Comercio.

    Sintra is a must see. We prefer to do our own thing so we got train from Rossio and an all day bus ticket for €11 which goes around the sites. That could be a very expensive day for a family of 4 depending how you go about it.

    Hired electric scooters down the seafront, which was buzzing when we got back, and ate at Maria Catita's (lucky to be able to change reservation because completely booked out). Highly recommend both.

    Getting the train from Cais do Sodre to Cascais this morning for a more relaxing day. Looking forward to seeing Sporting later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,428 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Get off the train to cascais in Belem on the way. Have a coffee and pasteis de Belem in the cafe. See the cathedral and Tower.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    That cafe is amazing. We went into the back and sat. Fascinated by the queue out front to buy the pastels to take away.

    Anyone who goes to Lisbon must have a pastel in this cafe. To see the pies being conveyed above the diners is something to behold.



  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭ALB2022


    Thanks for the advice on Belém & Cascais. It was 24° when we went to Cascais yesterday and the kids loved the beach.

    Today we cycled to the Sao Francisco bridge and walked the coast to Belém which was very nice. Tip for anyone who may be in Lisbon for a limited time. You could do this in the first half of the day and then take the train to Cascais for the evening/night.

    We really enjoyed the visit. Sporting were poor last night but good to get a game in and easy to get to. As a city there's loads to see, great transport (even during a strike), great food and lovely people. If you like graffiti, sardines and dealers it would be a bonus :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,428 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Another spot to go to is setubal. Its famous for its fish restaurants which is. Cooked on charcoal outside on thf Street in summer.

    The boat across to the island if the rich after lunch to Troia is worth the trip. Golden sands and clear blue water.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,847 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Setubal and Troia are lovely places to visit.

    Troia is at the end of a very narrow peninsula, not actually an island but not far off it.

    You can actually go back to Lisbon the long way round by road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭Mr rebel


    Lisbon is coke central, even a lot of the taxi drivers sell it and I have been approached on the streets there many times asking if I wanted to buy. I’ve also been approached many times by dodgy characters opening their coats and displaying lots of fake designer watches.

    Depsite that, the city still feels safe and is a great place to visit. The most danger you are likely to encounter is getting lost along the winding, cobbled streets as they send you in one direction and then another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,613 ✭✭✭Ferris_Bueller


    Sorry for reviving a year old thread but it's the most recent one I could find on Lisbon. Have been twice and visiting again with my partner around Easter time. I felt like I've explored it fairly extensively both times I was there and kind of struggling for new ideas on things we haven't done before. Anyone have any suggestions on things that are maybe slightly outside of the classic Lisbon itinerary?

    Have done Castelo Sao Jorge, Belem, Sintra, TimeOut Market, LX Factory, Benfica match, Oceanarium and that area, Tram 28. Any particular museum, restaurant or bar recommendations? Would Caiscais or across the bridge towards the Christ the Redeemer statue be worthwhile?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭delboythedub


    Cascais is lovely and a short Train ride from lisbon . Lovely area to walk around especially the sea front area (east) and goes on for miles with loads of small cafes along the root. Nice little pub there O'Luains it behind the big chemist. Cascais also has a small beach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,209 ✭✭✭✭JohnCleary


    I'd be very surprised if it's actually Coke you'd be getting! It's well known that the reason these drug touts aren't arrested is because they're actually selling baking powder and oregano!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,527 ✭✭✭The Davestator


    exactly! I actually asked our guide about why the police were turning a blind eye and he told me that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,820 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Is it not more to do with the decriminalisation of the drug



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,776 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    The beaches of the Costa da Caparica coastline- a ferry ride from Lisbon - worth it if the weather is good



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Also You can get the train across the river to visit the statue. We did that then after the statue went to the ferry port and spent the afternoon there. Some wonderful restaurants there. We wanted to go out to base tubal but the clock was against us, so cannot advise there - sorry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,614 ✭✭✭kingshankly


    Any recommendations for a nice hotel that may suit two adults and two teens folks somewhere central enough if it had an outdoor pool that would be a bonus



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