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Cost of 1 day cycling licence

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,727 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    From my limited knowledge I’d see normal Sunday races as self funded or run by clubs with generous sponsors. It’s the elites that will ultimately suffer if the leisure numbers drop off .

    Going on the 22k members posted above it’s no wonder that CI are struggling to meet costs both legal & racing for top lads.



  • Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭benneca1


    From an organisers perspective roughly one third of our participants are non CI and will never be. Parents friends etc who support cause and rock up on day. It makes no sense to me that CI makes more than our charity from the goodwill of my neighbours. I can insure an event for about 500 euro this indemnifies the organisers which is all we really want.Its an open road leisure event so normal rules of road apply. Next year I will run event as non CI event up the price 10 euro to cover insurance and at least folks money will be going where I want it. The next question will be what exactly as a club we get from our CI affiliation and can we indemnify committee for less than CU membership fee.I am fed up with Ci firstly how was brought in and secondly a 100% increase is unwarranted.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,773 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Personally I'd like cover for the participants as well but you are right, it's on open roads, riders should be able to look after themselves. Make sure you have all your T's crossed and I's dotted. You cannot be indemnified against a breach of the SHWWA, so make sure all paperwork, risk assessments, necessary notifications are all in order. Open roads or not, it is an event your club organised. This applies to CI events as well but at least with a CI event, CI is the person at the top, not the club. Probably the reason they have become so insistent on risk assessments being submitted in recent years.

    I can well imagine many clubs going this route if it is that cheap, or pulling it in under another organisations insurance. It's only 25 entrants.

    It would of course be far easier to put a motion to the AGM and put up the numbers as to why it was not needed. Should be easy to get the number of ODL last year, and in previous years, see if there is no drop in numbers what the increase take in is and see can CI absorb it. If there were 4000 ODLs last year, that's the wages of one staff member to be absorbed, if there were 1000, it's simply a small reduction in the package offered to the new chief.

    It would be good to get clarity from CI if the cost goes straight to the insurer or do they have a set cost regardless. If the former it means off loading this cost elsewhere, if the latter, then where can this cost be absorbed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    The only conclusion that can be drawn from your posts is that an organisation historically and now (and it's AGM in particular) dominated by racing cyclists is acting against their own self interests to the benefit of leisure members.

    Such true altruism is a delight to witness.

    Of course if cycling Ireland just released basic data on breakdown of payouts we would know for sure.

    Maybe they are making these insurance decisions blind...



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,773 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I think if you read a bit further into it you'll see that most of CIs income is grant related not from membership fees. Grants tend to go where numbers or success is, despite IMO it should be used to support those who might not have either. CI benefits hugely from large leisure numbers as it is a metric for grant awards. It's not altruistic, it's mutually beneficial. Leisure members get reduced rates to events, 3rd party insurance and discounts for various retailers. Do they get value for money, that is really dependent on the person. I think I've only ever used one voucher for gym and coffee and haven't done a leisure event in 5 years so for me no, it's just a requirement to race for others it might be huge value for money.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭Patches oHoulihan


    I'm a leisure cyclist and cycle with a group of about 8 people. We aren't a club, we just go when we can and tend to do the Skoda events and things like that. For fun.

    There is a local event to us every Feb and it's a normally well attended charity event. There is a large cycling club in town and I'd know a few of the guys that are organising the event.

    Attendance for upcoming event is 50% down on last year so I'm told. The licence issue is a real problem for people.


    Entry is advertised at €20 + €1.50 booking fee

    One day licence is €20 + €1.50 booking fee

    Fees and licences cost more than the entry.

    €43 all in for a small local event. Madness.

    None of the 8 of us are attending once we saw the cost of the licence double last month.

    The club will now suffer and so will the charity



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,773 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    This is aside from the ODL, you could give in 20euro to the charity and just ride the route, its open roads. Anyone here who raises money for charity would prefer that than you not going at all. You'll have to get your own food on the way round but thats about it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    head out and do the event route yourself,never understand folks paying 50+ euro to cycle the open road.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,889 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    in fairness, people enjoy participating in a large group event - you get to cycle in a big group at the start, you meet lots of people around the course and at the food stops, it's a bit of an adventure. Sure there's nothing stopping you riding the route on the day and skipping the food stops but IMO you're freeloading on the time and effort put into organising the event itself, which has to be paid for by someone.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,397 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    he may not have meant joining the actual cyclists on the day, to be fair; just riding the same route on a different day.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,889 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    I know, but I have seen suggestions on here before (particularly in relation to the WW200) of just riding the route on the day and buying your own food. Now the price of the WW200 has reached an absurd level, so maybe I'd feel less bad about that...



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,773 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I can't think of anything worse than riding the WW200 with a couple of thousand cyclists, many of whom are not used to riding around Wicklow, a good few even riding around Ireland, I'd pay not to do it 😯



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,773 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Also my point to @Patches oHoulihan was simply that if €21.50 was acceptable, just donate that to the charity. Whether you go on the spin is unimportant then. Go out for a coffee and as long a ride as you can muster. Send your mates a whatsapp, tell them to cough up 20 quid each and you will do up a route and you are all doing it on a set date come rain, hail or shine. I agree @loyatemu turning up to another event and riding round at the same time / date is just taking the piss, even if your not using their food stops, you are using their route work, their marshals, and so on. If you don't want to pay it, just do it another weekend. If its for a charity and you are pissed at CI, donate directly to the charity. If its fund raising for a club or something else, just go another weekend, otherwise you are just a cheapskating assh*t. Certain members of Audax UK will welcome you with open arms where people give out about the cost of a full breakfast at a control for 25p.

    Charity stuff aside, there are several leisure events I would happily pay entry for it because there is a buzz, there is comradery, there is joy in shared suffering. I have my certificate from the first time I completed the Mick Byrne hung in my garage, I have my first WW200 medal hanging there too, the orwell randonee is a fantastic event, as was the Morgan Sparrow with the Air Corp a few years ago where we got a full MP escort through parts of Wicklow, they had set up a station at the top of one climb and it was phenomenal.



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