Russia - threadbanned users in OP

The US exhortations that Ukraine abandon Bakhmut don't make sense to me.

Their narrative goes; conserve your resources, let them have it as it has no strategic value, concentrate on readying your forces for the big push, stall for time while all the training on the new goodies is going on.

I understand it in terms of what is being said at face value, and it makes sense for a couple of seconds, but when I think it through, I run into a few snags in the logic. The big one is, why do the Orcs stop at Bakhmut, as if that's all they want to achieve? Why wouldn't they just roll over it and keep on going, using the advantage you just handed them?

Ukrainian intelligence believes Putrid's current aim is to take and consolidate all of Donetsk and Luhansk, which makes sense as being the point you want to be at when you then start getting very serious about suggesting peace, which as we know, means we keep what we hold.

So I don't see why they magically stop at Bakhmut when they want all of Donetsk. They would keep going and you have gained nothing as this magic moment of a lull in fighting where you get to conserve your forces doesn't actually happen, and you have just handed them the advantage of having the infrastructure and cover of Bakhmut while they continue to push west, while you are now in the open. Resisting the take-Donetsk push does not get easier if you give up on every engagement of attrition and hand every settlement over while you are back to fighting in the open and they have the cover.

Surely the US suggestion isn't because they actually want Putrid to achieve his aims and the inevitable suing for peace, because that's the whiff I am getting from this suggestion to give up Bakhmut.

The Ukrainians are not stupid, and the fact they are steadfastly refusing to follow the US 'advice' on this suggests to me they probably don't see the point to it either.

By you comments its easy to see that you have never lived or worked in a war zone, and that's for certain sure!! You simply haven't a clue.

An interesting report in the Guardian today about software that generates & controls fake accounts. These bot accounts don't just replicate and spread stories, it seems they are also capable of making up coherent replies a la ChatGPT type software.

Given the international nature of this thread, you'd wonder if a few of the users who pop up here are not examples of above. Of course more likely to be actual human Russian sympathisers, but you couldn't rule out ai generated replies either from several. When you keep an eye on this thread over several months, you sense a certain pattern and patter in some users responses. A predictability. There the ones I'd be thinking could be ai bots. Anyone else think?

For the third time or fourth time, they need vehicles. With wheels. Ideally military vehicles, but in the absence of those, normal cars will do. You do realise that behind the lines they have roads, aka 80% of the country and personnel need to get around. Get from A to B. For that they don't need a Hmmvv, which would be needed near the front, a Clio will do that job.

It's just moving onto a new rathole after mudspud sh!t their pants multiple times over rt access.

There's no discussion, just explaining the same thing in simpler and simpler terms while polluting the thread.

QFT.

If MudSpud has any passing practical knowledge of this conflict, never mind some objectivity, he’d know that Ukraine and European-based UA associations have been requesting donations of civilian vehicles since Feb-March 2022, to assist with internal and external refugee transport, besides military and paramilitary transport away from the FEBA.

I gifted them a Merc C220 CDI last March or April, last I’d heard from LUkraine (local UA assoc., reg’d as new owner) it was in/around Donetsk, still helping with refugee transporting. That was July, IIRC. Quicksilver W203, RHD (ex-UK), Lux yellow plates (if still on them), if you ever see it in a photo, giz a shout 😉

We’ve organised and sent bigger and better since, notably firetrucks and ambulances, as have many other EU (and non-EU: UK) countries. There’s a **** ton of ex-EU civvy vehicles the length and breadth of Ukraine by now. It’s a big place, and the attrition rate was quite severe, until UA got its anti-air generally sorted more recently.

What's the point here, that what it returned isn't true?

Netherlands had planned or hoped to send the tanks they are renting from Germany (after they purchase them) to Ukraine. Germany refused the request.

I already corrected you that any country wishing to send F16's needs American approval.

It will be interesting though if Poland calls American's bluff and requests an export license for their ATACMS to Ukraine, if US stock is an issue.

Ah OK. Well what it has returned is true. Even after you leading in with a loaded question about all of Europe invading Russia, it still only referred to the German's invading. The returned info on Ukraine is also true as of 2021 which is as far as its data goes.

I was under the impression that the term "putinbot" was being used to desribe anyone supporting Putin and I assumed all those labelled as such here were mainly real Irish people, not actual bots. I'd be very surprised if this forum is being targetted by Russian AI. In the grand scheme of it all Boards.ie is one of millions of local forums across the globe, that'd be an impressive outreach by them but I think their capacity is probably being used elsewhere, where it might actually have a strategic impact.

The neural networks ChatGPT uses couldn't be used for this purpose either but i'd imagine their own language learning systems are fairly impressive too, definitely a growing threat. If they somehow incorporated ChatGPT into their puppet accounts, they'd be the least opinionated accounts going and not really fit for purpose.

As far as the UK supplying combat aircraft is concerned, it's likely they don't have them to spare. They have barely over 100 Typhoons, heavily engaged in air defence of the UK and the Baltics. They have about 30 F35s, but there is no way these would be put at risk of falling into the wrong hands. The Tornados have been scrapped or are not remotely airworthy, and this is even more so for the Jaguars. At least the Netherlands and others are in the process of replacing F16s with F35s so they may have spare airworthy F16s available.

Another one !!!. And he has absolutely nothing to say which has not already been parroted by his predecessors.

Absolutely! Being ethnically cleansed is much easier than fighting. In a manner of speaking. But hey at least the power lines will be thankful! ☺️

Did “Europe give the green light?”

and the other 2 aren’t promises??

If he says Russia might try to take Poland then he's not well informed, full stop. Other fools have posted this line, they tend to be the same people who keep saying Belarus is about to enter the war.