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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    If they are Russian, they are covered as combatants be they healthy, sick or wounded. I covered both the Geneva Convention and UN treaty in an earlier post.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    One question that could be asked, is the defense of Bakhmut (or any particular location for that matter) putting pressure on Ukraine’s efforts to create an adequate reserve for a future counter offensive? If it is, do you withdraw in that case?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    I think it's keeping the Russians busy while the Ukrainians strengthen themselves.

    The Ukrainians could probably concentrate their forces more and run Wagner out of Bakhmut but the Russians might find something more damaging to do then. In fact, letting Wagner gain a little may have kept them engaged way longer than was "healthy" for them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    For sure they thought it was about to become another Severdonetsk when Soledar fell and they started making gains but now it's looking like Bakhmut will make it to Match without changing hands.

    These failed attempts at making gains could be the straw that break's the camels back. There's only one further step the Russians can take to hurt the Ukrainians and that's committing more of their fighter jets and helis to the front line but that won't end well for them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 873 ✭✭✭Addmagnet


    Ooh, shades of Shakespearean Brutus and Cassius before Philippi!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,460 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    It's not

    Are you having an argument with your self in all this ?

    Which is grand i don't mind ,

    I'm just failing to see what's gotten under your skin .

    The guy has given his professional opinion , on short clips of videos ,

    If I watch a clip of something that I have actual expertize in ( limited field ), I critique them, sometimes it's an ooh you don't wanna do that , or an ooh that's not good cos of x , occasionally it'll be ooh you can't do. Oh turn out you can

    ..my field isn't life or death literally - it isn't millions and millions of dollars of time and investment all concentrated in one moment , that could decide a lot more than money ..

    Anyway I'd rather an honest critique than a cheerleader ,

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭vixdname


    Sweet God !!!! Theyre terrifying ----reminiscent of the gallant Roman Army marching to battle !



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,460 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    We've been seeing bahkmut holds for at least 4 months now , I wonder if the Ukrainians were originally planning on holding on this hard , it's not that strategically important in itself ,

    But as the Russians have pushed so stupidly hard with only limited progress ( they're finally at the city) it's become a "thing " in itself , partly talismatic , but not Verdun levels , but more as a resource sponge ,it's sucking in so much Russian resources that it's blunting the spear ,

    To be sure it's sucking in Ukrainian resources too - and if the artillery is 1 to 1 , then that's a lot of the limited Ukrainian artillery..Ukraine seems to be drip feeding their reinforcements in ,as needed

    but the Ukrainians are apparently still holding back their reserves not committing to a front -

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,578 ✭✭✭Field east


    Do we know the full story here?. For example , how come that the Ukr could ‘spare’ one of their own to take a video of the one tank when he/ she could have been more usefully employed. Also the video person concentrated on the one tank all of the time and did not give us a 360 degree sweep



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    USAF Airforce One, travelled from Estonia enroute to Germany earlier this morning..

    The 737 following at a distance is a USAF 737 support aircraft.

    Currently orbiting near the Moldovan coast is a US Navy P-3 Orion ( Aries II). This SIGNIT, anti-Sub and Anti-Shipping asset is built on the old Lockheed Electra. A very old airframe supporting Gen 5 surveillance equipment. The long "tail" at the back is a Magnetic Anomaly Dectector, used in the tracking of Submarines.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    P.S.

    The P-3 and the C-130 E shared the same engines and props at one stage. In the 1990's, you could hear both transiting Ireland now and again with a very distinctive low, rumbling drone at around 25,000 feet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,492 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    He doesn't. The UA knew exactly what it was doing. The drone over head suggests they had real good intelligence on the site. Maybe the Russian troops had just moved in and the UA knew exactly what they carried into the trenches and decided to get them out before they settled in. Best time to get a rat is before he as properly found a new nest.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Unfortunately even if such inferences are true, they lead to other questions.

    1) Good question on the drone. Trust me, you can never have too much ISR. Is the best use for an ISR asset to keep watching something you already know exists, or to keep looking for what you don't know exists, especially if you're advancing into the open? Walk the tank to the target, OK. Conduct BDA, sure. But in between the two? It's either undisciplined curiosity or the desire for propaganda video. The latter is a valid reason, but comes with risk I'm not sure I'd take. Modern combat can be very fast and very lethal, and we try very hard to train folks not to focus on "the shiny object."

    2) If there were, indeed, other tanks or supporting assets, either they kept themselves out of the fight for some reason, or the tank in the video was acting stupidly. There is no need for a tank to get any closer to infantry than it has to in order to engage them. Either the tank in question had to close the distance into the open in order to see the target, in which case the implication is that any other tanks in the area could not see a target, or it needlessly put itself at risk to shoot things which could have been shot at from further away.

    Don't get me wrong, everyone will make errors, even the US Army. But the simplest explanation (Occam's Razor) is that the Ukrainians sent one tank because they only had one tank available to send. It's enough to help hold the line, it's not enough for a good offensive. It matches what's happening on the ground, and what we know from Ukrainian requests to send more tanks. It matches the idea that the Ukrainians have been proving a bit more competent than the Russians. Solution: We need to send them more tanks. Which is what we're (slowly) doing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,994 ✭✭✭ambro25




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭vixdname


    Yes they do, and they had outside lavatories installed only recently ! Major ribbon cutting ceremony arranged by the committee ! As much TK red lemonade, Taytos and hang sangwiches as any man could handle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,460 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Why would they transit a sub by surface at all ?

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Not anymore its seems. They are no longer flavor of the month...to curry favor's with Putin they heavily criticized the regular Russian army, and the Army don't take too kindly to criticism, actually its a very bad idea to criticize them, especially when their boss is a very good friend or Putin. So now Prigoshin is paying the price.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭Economics101


    That was not Airforce One. AF1 is used as the designation only when carrying POTUS. Biden is still in Washington. I think the aircraft in question has a role in wartime communications which may involve POTUS.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Because it's diesel powered.

    The image looks a bit strange, there's an inline white wake, as you would expect and as the escorts have, but there is also a secondary grey wake coming back from what looks like amidships at an acute angle, which could be smoke blown by an off track wind.

    If that's smoke - sheesh. Is it trying to compete with the Kuznetsov aicraft carrier?



  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    This seems to be it.

    Hold the line, grind down the enemy, meanwhile build up your forces for a serious offensive. The Stalingrad model.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    Interesting piece in The Atlantic. Military History Doesn't say what Ukraine's critics think.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/02/russia-ukraine-war-wwii-comparison/673053/



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    It's one of the most uncomfortable truths of the whole invasion that I hate being reminded about, as it depresses the hell out of me, but it cannot be ignored or forgotten.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    No threat to them ,they are regularly seen in various seas from the med or the English channel transiting on the surface,and in this case their would be no reason to go submerged for a relatively short journey,and then having to resurface to launch missles,



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,743 ✭✭✭zv2


    How stupid is this? Wagner advertising stacks of dead bodies-


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Have you seen wagner groups recruiting ads for canon fodder

    Says it all,really



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    General Milley: War will end at negotiation table, neither Russia nor Ukraine will achieve their goals

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/02/16/7389675/

    It's abundantly clear that a lot of people don't like anything negative being said about the US, but I'm going to say it anyway - to my eyes, it's looking more and more like the US don't want Ukraine to win outright and want them to give Putin what he wants, to keep Putin in power. Better the devil you know...?

    They are possibly worried that a defeat will cause Putin to lose control and be unseated - or an attempt made to unseat him - involving a near all-out civl war between the Army, Wagner, Patriot, Kadyrovs Tik-Tokers and the FSO. Orcistan descending into a fight between warlords, all trying to grab power and likely a share of the nukes, isn't a nice scenario.

    All the stuff that could be immediately useful to Ukraine and game changing has been put on the long finger or refused: No planes, no drones, a token handful of tanks 9 months or more away, GLSDBs 9 months away, ATACMS never as there aren't enough of them (yeah, right), despite them being due for retirement and replacement with PrSM soon. A significant proportion of Leopard 2s have morphed into slowly refurbished Leopard 1's.

    Even the give up Bakhmut spiel fits because it lets the Orcs keep on rolling, taking more and more of Donetsk and setting things up for the conditions Putin wants for his plan B negotiated peace win.

    General Miley's saying Ukraine can't win and should negotiate - where have we heard that before? But General Patreus seems to think otherwise "“And my bet is on the Ukrainians in this regard.” In any case, Russia will not win the war."

    Ben Hodges, a former commander of the U.S. Army Europe, told Deutsche Welle that the West should supply Ukraine with fighter jets as the planes could contribute to Ukraine’s victory within a year.

    “The sooner we deliver them the capability to achieve a decisive outcome, the sooner that (the war) could be over,” Hodges said in an interview with Deutsche Welle.

    According to Hodges, Ukraine could still win without Western fighter jets, but Russia’s defeat would take three to five years, given the current level of Western support.

    While the consistent story out of Washington is that Ukraine doesn't need planes and should instead focus on attrition warfare of more than half a century ago.

    Looks like I am not the only one thinking along these lines, I just found this;

    Does the Biden administration want Ukraine to win, or just not to lose?

    FEAR OF TOTAL VICTORY? As Russian troops mass in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine in preparation for what could be the pivotal battle of the war, Republican lawmakers are questioning whether the Biden administration is truly backing Ukraine’s goal to reclaim territory lost to Russia eight years ago or is hoping for a stalemate that would force Ukraine to make concessions to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    “We will continue to take every step we possibly can to help the Ukrainians succeed on the battlefield and to improve their position at the negotiating table and to make the Russians pay also through increasing costs of sanctions for what they are doing to the people of Ukraine,” said national security adviser Jake Sullivan on CNN yesterday.

    That drew an immediate rebuke from Wyoming Republican Rep. Liz Cheney, who was on the same program. “I wasn't satisfied with what I heard. I think that it's crucially important that the United States be clear that we are absolutely committed to Zelensky's victory,” Cheney told host Jake Tapper. “We should not be talking about, as Jake Sullivan did just now, improving Zelensky's position at the negotiating table.”

    There should be no question that this is about getting to a negotiation or pressuring Zelensky to negotiate. This is about defeating Russian forces in Ukraine,” Cheney said.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/does-the-biden-administration-want-ukraine-to-win-or-just-not-to-lose-gop-lawmakers-want-to-know

    When I'm agreeing with what Liz Cheney is saying and being critical of Biden, something's wrong. Letting the Orcs get away with ourageous agressions against other countries is what created the conditions for this horrible war. Biden has lost it, he seems incapable of learning from the lessons of history. There is no point in making decisions that let Putin win and stay in power because he's not staying in power much longer anyway, given his age and health, you are just postponing the inevitable and given the internal political scheeming and manoeuvering going on in orcistan, you might not even achieve that anyway.

    The cost of that postponement, if it succeeds, will be borne by the thousands of kidnapped Ukrainian children who will never return under the Putin wins scenario and the brave Ukrainians who are going to die in large numbers, because they will keep pushing for victory, as in Bakhmut, not giving up because it fits with the US mealy-mouthed aims of prioritising stability in Orcistan.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,743 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,635 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Its a weird headline (which is a common theme in journalism in general unfortunately).

    He is saying Russian objectives are completely doomed, while Ukraine will face an uphill struggle. He is not equating the two positions at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Who's - their own or Ukrainians?

    If it's the latter, I see your pile and raise you.. (caution, video shows a lot of body bags in storage)

    https://youtu.be/Xnay0SwK6BA

    "These guys' contract is over! The Russians are going home!" - dead occupiers somewhere near Bakhmut.

    How many good Russians are there? They died for Putin's palaces, for propaganda and, of course, for stolen fur coats



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  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud




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