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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭junkyarddog


    This guy give excellent updates,definitely worth a watch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,802 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    He also mentions unless the Russian army collapses, that's certainly not out of the question. When Ukraine start their counteroffensive, I can't see the cannon fodder standing there fighting and defending.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    No. I'm an 'actions speak louder than words' kind of person. Miley's quote is just one of the many signs. and emerged after I first raised my concerns about US intent two days ago in this post: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120243686/#Comment_120243686

    What I am saying is being thought by Liz Cheney, it turns out, so it's not just me - in the article I quoted.

    “We will continue to take every step we possibly can to help the Ukrainians succeed on the battlefield and to improve their position at the negotiating table..." national security adviser Jake Sullivan

    And was this me saying this, or someone else?:

    "Republican lawmakers are questioning whether the Biden administration is truly backing Ukraine’s goal to reclaim territory lost to Russia eight years ago or is hoping for a stalemate that would force Ukraine to make concessions to Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    So that's Miley and Sullivan reading from the same script, but you are acusing me of basing everything on Miley's statement. It's the US's actual actions that caused me to reach the conclusion.

    I said people don't like anything negative being said about the US - high five...



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,634 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The US are providing more lethal support to Ukraine than basically everyone else put together. If they are "keeping Ukraine weak" they are doing a phenomenally **** job of it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Hopefully all these trucks were going to be used for logistics in the war.



  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    But the flip side of that is that they are not contracted like a regular soldier who is obligated to follow orders. Couldn't they just quit and split? Same way as someone quits their job.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Something I haven't seen mentioned yet: Ukraine are actively mobilising and have been for weeks now. Additionally, they are forming what I take to be another special forces unit for which they sought volunteers and received 20,000 applications at last count.

    "The Special Operations Center "A" of the SSU announces selection into a new assault unit! To become part of the team of legendary special forces is an honor for every defender of Ukraine. Our soldiers conduct unique special operations, perform tasks at the hottest points and, together with the Defense Forces, liberate our native land. You have the opportunity to defend Ukraine side by side with them, moving towards a joint Victory," the SSU notes.

    Candidates must meet the following criteria:

    - motivation, appropriate level of physical and psychological training;

    - presence of combat experience;

    - high professional qualities.

    Preference will be given to people who have served in special military units: snipers, engineers, telecommunications specialists, air detectors, artillery fire spotters, operators of multiple rocket launchers, anti-tank missile systems, drones, drivers of combat vehicles and others.

    As Ukrainian News Agency earlier reported, the Ministry of Interior Affairs began the formation of the Offensive Guard assault brigades for the strengthening of the Defense Forces and de-occupation of Ukraine.

    https://ukranews.com/en/news/915339-ssu-announces-selection-of-volunteers-in-its-assault-unit



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Neither side has the resources to finish the war completely in eithers favour. The Russians still maintain enough logistics to hold what they have and if they can exhaust Ukraines logistics through consumption and destruction of equipment and ammunition that comes with the current tempo, they can potentially secure the area from Kharkiv to Zaporizhzhia this Summer and force Ukraine to accept a frozen conflict like happened between North and South Korea. If the Russians cannot make significant gains by April then they will have to negotiate by the end of the year. Russia will also have counter strategies to the NATO armament and offensive expected in Summer 2023.

    Nor does the war in Ukraine exist in an isolated bubble. Consider the economic and political impact on the EU, a stalemate in Eastern Ukraine or an internal civil war in Russia may also be sufficient to trigger a collapse of the EU project for a multitude of other reasons that have been held down to date. For historic context Britain had an empire, even though they "won" the world war, they were broke, their empire collapsed and they became a stationary landing carrier for the United States in the North Atlantic. Militarily, compared with their resources prior to WW II, they are a minnow. Wars don't have predictable outcomes, the situation of the Korean armstice will also need to be considered.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    @Pa ElGrande do you actually believe that nonsense, collapse of the eu ,

    Q conspiracy theories next



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,387 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Absolutely the wildest first shooter action I have ever seen, this guy has absolute balls of steel.


    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    That's what happens when someone reads something and can't see past the quotes for what they are,

    Of course Americans will keep putting out statements about negotiating,but when they are already deep into supporting ukraine, they are hardly going to be ramping up retoric against putin,

    People are obsessing over the wrongthings



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I don't think Ukraine will give up on Crimea. At best I see them agreeing to Russia keeping their base in Sevastopol. I know it seems impossible but look where Ukraine has come from 10 years ago. Now that the gloves are off there's no more surprise attacks by Russia and while their army weakens Ukraine's gains in strength.


    Another 12 months from now things won't look pretty for Russia. That's assuming they haven't lost by then.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Liz Cheney is an outlier in the Republican party. Republicans are less enthusiastic about the war than the Democrats.

    https://globalaffairs.org/sites/default/files/2022-12/Ukraine%20Brief%20CMS.pdf



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Under no circumstances will ukraine allow Russia to keep svastaspol or any other occupied territory, including bases,if they can get to Melitopol Crimea is lost for the Russians,the Ukrainans could hammer them from retaken territories,as it stands they are hemmed in svastaspol at some stage they will have a decision to make stay and hope they don't lose valuable ships and subs or face a last stand in an area with little room to menuver ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I didn't say they wanted Ukraine to be defeated.

    In a single battle against just 6oo Wagner troops in Syria, The US used: B-52s, F-22's, AC-130 gunships, F-15 strike eagles, AH-64 Apache attack helicopters, MQ-9 Reaper drones, and few other minor items.

    The US fielded more systems to defeat a pidddling 600 Wagnerians than they have given Ukraine to defeat a far larger Wagner contingent and 93% of Orc ground forces, all numbering in the several hundreds of thousands.

    Between that Syrian engagement and the war in Ukraine, do you know what commonality there is in terms of US support? M-777 howitzers, 155mm shells and assorted amminition - from the minor items basket.




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,802 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    They could have asked Democrats and Republicans the same question ffs.

    D: Support Ukraine even at a cost to the US

    R: Back Ukraine for as long as it takes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭weisses


    RE Miller, Its just geopolitics at play here and it all evolves around US interests, if their intelligence/analists predicts that a Russia without Putin is bad for the US then the Ukraine war will not be the stage for Putins demise... At present they provide just enough aid to maintain a very delicate balance.

    RE Cheney, The US and UK itself engaged in an outraged aggresion when they invaded Iraq in 2003, Based on fake intel parroted by then Colin Powell at the UN. resulting in hundreds of thousands excess deaths related to the war in Iraq (Lancet) and the rise of ISIS . Letting people getting away with commiting attrocities is quite normal.

    In the context of the massive consequences arrising from this geopolitical game gone wrong, those thousands of children being abducted plays an insignificant role



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Another poll from Pew Research. 40% of Republicans/Republican leaning independents say too much aid is being given to UKR versus 15% for Democrats/Democratic leaning independents (Jan 2023).




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,802 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Surprising to see an increase in support (not doing enough) in Jan for both Republican and democrats.

    Start using the seized assets to buy equipment from the US for Ukraine and I'm sure support will increase.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Why not? The EU is an anti-democratic organisation, run by unaccountable politicians that impose laws on the citizens of member states without their consent. That is creating political tension right across Europe, the representatives elected by the people on local issues go on to implement laws handed to them from the EU, these representatives were not elected on that basis. Effectively the people we do elect are powerless to change anything, even if they wanted to, and we get a political narrative imposed on us that we don't understand and if given a free choice may reject e.g. Lisbon & Nice were rejected initially before the electorate re-voted "the right way".

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Maybe the Summer/Autumn Ukrainian counter offensives influenced opinion here? The rise from 9% to 40% amongst Republicans saying too much aid is being given is still concerning though. This time next year the presidential race will be looming large with the primaries kicking off, so Ukraine will need a big win at some stage this year to influence opinion in it's favour IMO.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It could have been worse they could have sent tanks then had a vote and gotten 110% of the population voted for occupation,

    I'm sure you might enjoy the Russian version of democracy,but then again it's always safer saying that living here in Ireland



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,802 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    You could be right. Americans see their tax dollars going to Ukraine with little to show for it. A large and successful counter offensive may help with support.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    The footage is heavily edited (because it is a propaganda video) so the drone may have panned around an looked elsewhere or maybe the pilot was in communication with other drone pilots in the area who were keeping an out for any surprises.

    Obviously that's all speculation. It was a good propaganda video even if it wasn't tactically smart.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,510 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    You seem to think the EU is some sort of Soviet Politburo with centralised powers.

    What sort of laws do you think this autocratic Politburo is enforcing on Europe? Most EU laws are concerned with the environment, health & safety and workers' hours.



  • Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭strathspey


    There are now about 1/4 million less russian speakers in the world then there were last year, aggregating both side's losses in the war. Also, this doesn't include the potential of millions of Ukrainians who now refuse to speak russian due to the hatred they now foster. Some own goal!

    In the words of Trevor Noah, it's an awful language to have to listen to, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IlIbDu1Xyo



  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    If you no longer want to take part in a war and you have a gun, what's the problem with a guy with a sledgehammer? Put a bullet in him and go on your merry way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    Its not that their is a guy with a sledgehammer, but I suspect you knew that. It's what the guy with the sledgehammer is doing, thats the point.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    Rather that repeating some nonsense you read about the EU, why don't you do some research and find out what it is and how it works. I'm no expert but the below is a pretty good summary, now can you point out the undemocratic bits your so upset about.

    The EU has 3 main bodies,

    The EU Parliament where the MEP's are elected in each country respectively. IRL gets a greater number of MEP's than it's population deserves, the EU does this so smaller countries voices aren't drowned out. You get to vote for these people, all EU countries do this.

    The EU council where each country is represented by 1 council member (Leo for us). So 27 countries with 1 person from each. IRL has the same say as any other EU country, such as Germany, France, Spain etc.. Each country typically has their PM as the council member, so get involved in your general elections to have your say !

    The EU Commission, again 1 rep from each country, you don't get to vote for him, he's appointed by our council member (Leo). But if you don't like that, then petition your local TD and campaign for the IRL commissioner to be elected rather than appointed by our elected leader, who works on your behalf.

    All the laws "imposed" on us come from these 3 bodies, look it up yourself. Now back to UKr



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