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"GAA star in alleged scam" Mod Note on page 1 and 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,752 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    They are easy spot ....... 🙄

    They tend to forget how the sporting organisation that controls football was run by someone with a similar attitude to other peoples money also.......

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,315 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    whataboutery isn’t a good idea generally but I don’t think you’ll find many football fans in Ireland willing to defend that man now

    All crooks should be treated the same



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,353 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Maybe he watched the Netflix series Sick Note, a dark comedy about a guy faking cancer cos of the benefits it brought him …. 🧐




  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    I think it's clear this man has serious psychiatric issues.

    However he knew he was doing wrong.

    Thus I hope he does time if the allegations are true.

    But Ireland is not great for sending the high profile to prision.

    Look at Haughey. Heading for prision and then it's derailed by a radio interview?!

    Tribunal after tribunal... Nobody bar Ray Burke did tíme.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,468 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    I'm assuming that this is some reference to John Delaney.

    "Look over there", in other words.

    Or else, some playground stuff about how if you criticise the GAA, its culture, supporters or players, you must be a soccer or rugby fan.

    Certainly not the case here, plenty of problems and arseholes in soccer and rugby, John Delaney, Brendan Mullin (allegedly), old boys networks etc. But what has allegedly happened with this GAA player is particularly bad.

    IME the clowns who fall for such scams often have obtained their money through cute hoorism and duckin and divin. They wouldn't piss on the average person if they were on fire but their ego and social capital gets a great boost from handing over 100k to a GAA hero who claims to have cancer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,490 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Liam Lawlor also did time. But they were political prisoners.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Liam did a few weeks at most



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    I think that is harsh. If you know someone and have the money you would try to help them who wouldn't. 100k might not be much to the person in question.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    and ended up wrapped around a concrete street light on the main road between Saint Petersburg and Moscow, twenty-three kilometres from Moscow.



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    Mod Edit

    Warning issued.

    Post edited by ShamoBuc on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Dessie Ellis did time, but I think that might have been for bomb making. Liam Cosgrave jnr did time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Exactly. 100k is a lot of money to most of us but there are a lot of very wealthy people in this country also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    It takes a certain mentality to turn someone doing a good turn for someone who they believed to be in serious trouble into cute hoorism!



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,331 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Mod Note

    Warning Issued.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Mod Note

    Warning issued.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,876 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    More stories emerging today

    fair play to Simon Carswell, he’s like a dog with a bone with this story

    apparently the scam artist was doing this for at least 10 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,636 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06



    Excerpted relevant piece:

    The former GAA star being investigated for alleged fraud had sought money from people for specialist cancer treatment in the US almost a decade ago, according to a former GAA official... The invite was made in person to the retired player on the fringes of the 2013 All Ireland Football final at Croke Park, during a meeting with another former GAA star. Towards the end of discussions, the retired athlete requested an appearance fee of €10,000. This was rejected and the sports star was told that only travel and other expenses would be paid. The former player then said that he had a serious cancer condition, which could only be treated in the US and that the money would be going toward his treatment. “Our shock was evident and immediate, but he then quickly excused himself saying he would be in touch and that was the last we heard from him,” said the GAA Asian branch official.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2023/02/17/former-gaa-star-under-investigation-for-alleged-fraud-sought-cancer-treatment-money-almost-decade-ago/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    I stand corrected. He did of course admit to taking illegal payments from Frank Dunlop on behalf of property developers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,000 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Gambling you would have to assume now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭GavPJ


    Reminds me of this nut case:

    Belle Gibson - Wikipedia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,959 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Gusser09



    As the saying goes

    Better off owing 10 million than a 100k.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,315 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    That is some write down in fairness, 99.37%.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,295 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    That's unreal. Are we allowed say who the person is at the centre of this scandal? The dogs and cats on the street know who it is. You'd find the name in a 30 second Google search.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    In a way, you could say that wasn't his first bailout/write down either. His first retirement, in his prime, in the 90s lasted just six weeks after a public outcry. He complained of falling out of love with the game and having a business to run. The GAA helped secure contracts for his business for him to go back to play. It was a form of pay for play.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,315 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    'GAA star ' is who is still mentioned on all the main media sites, therefore, no names still.

    If its that easy to find his name - its hardly a chore not to mention him by name here in fairness.

    Re the above story on RTE, I can only presume most folk wouldn't get that kind of a deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,611 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    In 2015, speaking on RTE’s Ray D'Arcy radio show, Mr Carey said: "I am not one of those who would say 'I don’t care’ about repaying debt".

    "You borrow money, it should be paid back" he said, adding that "to whatever extent that can be, I would still be conscious it has to be done".

    Very unusual for RTE to publish details of someone's private financial dealings unless there is fairly clear evidence of illegality or corruption.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,315 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    But RTE aren't stating that there was any illegality involved.

    They are simply saying what deal was done between DJ and AIB.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,959 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    No, you will be severely punished. Justice kinda warped in this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,611 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I know that, it's just very unusual for RTE or media to report on anyone's private financial dealings like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    I'd say the RTE legal beagles have cleared that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Mentioning Primetime and documents. Somethings up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Himself and the missus had a chalet in Switzerland too. A 20,000 a night job. Don't know if that could be acquired by the court.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,315 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    It could well be one of many headline stories that RTE will run over the weekned but the only one that they can atm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Sickening, what is **** point of paying back your loans when the likes of < admin snip> don't have to bother paying back anything.

    The taxpayers bail out AIB and still own 56.8% of it and yet they appear to act without an ounce of social responsibility , selling off small loans to companies who then hound people for the money while deciding to let <admin snip > off with paying nothing back.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw


    Rte about to open the can of worms on him id say!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    What's the difficulty about not mentioning his name ffs! As you say we all know who it is but it would be mad for any news outlet to publish his name before he is arrested and charged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,600 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,066 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    As much as I think he's after **** up his sporting legacy i think it's the thing that could ultimately get him out of all this

    A lot of documentarie makers out there who prey on this kind of stuff. Serial killers been glammed up ffs



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    He won't do any time. He won't have to pay back any money. And he'll be back on the reality TV circuit in time, earning money. Bertie is back in FF, baby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    I bet the 60k is still outstanding too.

    And you wonder why we are crucified with intetest rates.

    Parasite.





  • And Sean Quinn to thank for increased insurance premium. Another 'legend'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,699 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    I would have said its in the public interest. After all AIB was bailed out and owned with taxpayer money. If the taxpayer gave him a personal bailout of 9.4million then the public have a right to know.

    That aside you would wonder what strings were pulled for him that he got a 99.6% write down on his debts, its astonishing and we all paid for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,353 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    It says in the article : “….mostly arising from a €7.85m loan to Mr Carey that was secured on properties at Mount Juliet in Kilkenny and the K Club in Kildare.”

    if it was secured on properties (plural!) then surely the sale of those would raise more then €60k ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭batman75


    That's a pretty stunning write down that <admin snip> got on his debt to AIB. Whoever approved that write down needs to be held accountable. That is truly scandalous. How in god's name did he accrue debts to that level. The RTE article doesn't give an indication of illegality but morally it's repugnant that someone can pay just 60k having owed 9.5m.

    I loved <admin snip> for what he did on the pitch. An absolute genius but this is outrageous. He should have been declared bankrupt like any other mere mortal would be made to do. As we own the majority stake in the bank it is us the public who have picked up the tab for his 9.5m bill. Sickening.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 10 LeGrandeRecif


    The €9.5m is just the nominal debt. AIB would have written that down themselves years ago- maybe to zero. In that case €60K wouldn't be too bad. Check out some of the write offs that are granted in personal insolvencies. One recent one at the High Court saw the write off exceed €12m.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It was the noughties where this was build up. Credit was easy to access.. Letters with loan approval were being send out every couple of months to ordinary people. If you were running a business money was easily accessed. Everything was about expansion, you have walked into the bank manager demanded another, 100k......250k...... or a million or more and threatened to go elsewhere if they did not stump up.

    In some cases it as a complete smoke screen and it all went up in smoke with nothing to back it up.

    Remember a lot of expansion was based on leased offices, building's machinery and vehicles

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    I think the K Club properties were worth 2 million each at one point. But that would have halved I'd say after 2008.

    This was reported in 2012:

    At almost the same time, Newman was involved in a dispute with her ex-husband, Patrick O'Donohoe, over property, including the houses in Monkstown and the K Club. Although the couple have been separated since 2000, O'Donohoe was a co-director of Needahotel.com, and a year after the company was sold, the High Court ordered Newman to pay over €2.1m to her ex-husband. Some years later, with an amount rumoured to be more than €1m still outstanding, O'Donohoe registered charges over the house on Alma Road and the K Club properties. Sarah Newman says that all financial issues between the pair have now been resolved.

    But it goes on to say that Carey was still staying at the K-Club after the split. Was that the ex-husband's place? :

    The couple announced to their circle of friends -- by text message apparently -- just over a week ago, that the relationship was over. She is currently staying in England with her mother, while <admin snip> is apparently living at one of the K Club houses.

    By the time judgments were made against them both in the Commercial Court last year -- for more than €9m each in favour of AIB Mortgage Bank -- the couple must have been frantically paddling for quite some time, trying desperately to keep their finances stable, even as his cleaning product company went into liquidation, and their property empire plummeted in value along with the rest of the country. The AIB debts related to cross-guarantees each gave in respect of the other's liabilities, specifically mortgage loans of €7.85m and €1.5m, dating back to 2007, which allowed them to refinance existing debt and release equity on properties jointly owned.

    The cross-guarantees were slightly unusual transactions, but then, theirs was a deeply entwined relationship, in which each was involved with the other's businesses and finances. Rather than two lives running separate and parallel, they chose to confront the world as a unit. And even though they were an initially unlikely couple -- she a blonde, shiny Essex-girl-made-good, gregarious and a relentless net-worker, he a sporting legend and hero to men throughout the country, but personally shy and modest -- together, they were a convincing double act.

    As well as the K Club properties, the couple bought a house at Mount Juliet, and a large beautifully renovated Georgian redbrick on Alma Road in Monkstown, where they mostly lived, with Newman's children. And then there was Chalet Grace, in a chic ski resort in Zermatt, Switzerland. Named for Newman's daughter, Chalet Grace was a true Celtic Tiger folly, with double-height floor-to-ceiling windows on all three levels, five double bedrooms, a dining room seating 14, a home cinema, a games room with pool table, and a 'Wellness' centre including a sauna, shower room, massage room, Pilates/yoga space, outdoor hot tub and shower. The chalet was finished in 2010, and on the market barely a year later, for €12.1m. It finally sold last year, which undoubtedly eased the financial strain considerably. However, that wasn't enough to turn back time on the stress of recent years.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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