Peter O'Mahony

An entire thread dedicated to Peter O'mahony, im not surprised.

Had a look at the company above, a lot of their stats look extremely questionable and the weight and grading they give to certain involvements are massively skewed.

Even when you look at some of their top perceived performers if you don't find any of the top 5 players in the world in any of you're lists then you are definitely grading involvements and the value of those involvements incorrectly.

There are better companies doing the same thing but sadly arent free to use, I know Ulster have a team of guy doing this for them and that company also provides their software to football clubs in the UK who use is for recruitment of players, the guys mentioned on off the ball look like the AliExpress of stat companies.

It's Six Nations time alright.

France???

The problem with his stats model is that it collects the data that he is looking for and its the same data he collects and correlates for all players in that position.

So when he says POM was statistically the best player what he is really saying is that - In the particular set of statistics that we gathered and compared for the players in a certain set POM has the best numbers.

It only takes into account what he is looking at, it ignores the players role in the team and the gameplan, it ignores his opposite numbers effectiveness, the knocks that are taken during a game and the bounce of the ball kinda stuff.

Its the same with other aspects, a player might hit a ruck as the third or fourth player and secure the ball and that counts as a stat for entering ruucks, but hes entering it because the players before him have left an opponent in a position to compete.

He might not enter another one because the player who has gone before him had removed the threat from the opposition players.

In one game POM might be dealing with a very competent poacher, and in another vdf might be doing that job

A missed tackle might be attributed to a player when he wasnt the person supposed to be making that hit, he just tried and failed like sexton and Murray against penaud at the weekend.

So a players stats are dependent on their teammates as well and in essence they are a load of bollocks when applied individually.

Doris was excellent against wales alright, and continued his form into the French game.

He is an early and pretty clear leader for player of the tournie along with the south african fella.

Heaslip actually mentioned O'Mahony when naming players for having a good game v France.

Now that could be he's afraid of Zebo or maybe it's because as a former back row player he understands what POM actually delivers for the team he plays for.

Every coach selects him but there's a cohort of fans who think he's not worth his place especially when it comes to international games.

Its ridiculous to suggest that because POM gets taken off after 50-60 mins, that this means the coach thinks he's the 3rd best player.

It's about intensity. If POM's role is to go out there and give it absolutely everything for 50-60 minutes knowing that he'll likely be brought off, that's different from a player knowing he'll likely play the full 80 mins and therefore will be asked to manage his energy differently. (this can be done if someone elses role is to do the energy sapping stuff.

What would you say are the world class parts of his game?

Turnovers and winning opposition lineouts would be 2 that spring to mind very quickly.

His very presence cuts down opposition lineout options for sure.

I think O Mahony goes down as one of the all time greats for Ireland. It's a difficult choice but he'd get on our best ever selection. Van De Flier and Doris have been good but have a long way to go to be considered in O Mahony's bracket.