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20Wheel · 19-02-2023 7:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261749#Comment_120261749

Unless you've got a time machine you don't know that for certain.

Someone having a different view, based on their observations, doesn't make them the enemy. Why bring trolling into it?

The guy you're responding to above had a perfectly fair and balanced post and still got the predictable response.

(Also, saying you think something might happen doesn't necessarily mean you want that thing to happen, nor does it somehow magically increase the odds of it happening.)

Gatling · 19-02-2023 7:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262221#Comment_120262221

It's not viable to keep multiple Aircraft flying in the hope's of intercepting a single missle ,when your enemy possess the ability to shoot down all of your aircraft in minutes,

In most cases by the time you scramble an aircraft to shoot down a missle it's like already hitting it's target before you get close enough to intercept.

dtothebtotheh · 19-02-2023 7:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262160#Comment_120262160

China has never been a communist state, it's always been an authoritarian state, having a boys club who make terrible decisions as Mao did to the detriment of their own people is not in anyway left leaning (Same with Russia, North Korea). Can't say the "West" is much better, the EU and the US have been leaning to authoritarianism too, just in a far more sophisticated way.

jmreire · 19-02-2023 7:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261364#Comment_120261364

When the US Stealth bomber got shot down over Serbia in 1999, during the daily press conference the military spokesperson was asked what were the ramifications of a cutting edge technologically advanced aircraft falling into the hands of the enemy ( insert enemy here) and how big a disaster was it. The spokesperson replied that yes, it was indeed cutting edge technology when it was first introduced 10 years previously, but that at this point they did not consider it new or cutting edge. So either the Spokesperson was downplaying the importance of it, or they had indeed progressed far beyond the original design.

Gatling · 19-02-2023 8:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262355#Comment_120262355

And to think the Germans canned their Version which actually more stealth than the f117

Bitcoin · 19-02-2023 8:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261481#Comment_120261481

Sigh.

Same old rubbish from you time and time again.

The orcs use rape and murder as weapons of war and yet you think Ukraine should open up negotiations.

No negotiation will the orc terrorist state will be possible until the last orc soldiers on Ukrainian soil are either dead or thrown back over the border.

If you want negotiations, maybe you can give some of your stuff away to the orcs instead.

Bitcoin · 19-02-2023 8:15pm

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1627243091500335104

More bad news for the orcs at Vuhledar.

Two of the best orc brigades have been utterly smashed up here in the last few weeks.

But the same orc propagandists here would have you believe that it's Ukraine who is having problems.

vixdname · 19-02-2023 9:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120252844#Comment_120252844

I think number 2 is the most likely option.

Danzy · 19-02-2023 9:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262055#Comment_120262055

Aren't they always.

He has a long way to go before he gets close to the level of mass killings like Lenin/Trotsky did in Ukraine, never mind Stalin.

If Putin even comes close to killing 5% of what Communism did in Ukraine, NATO should become directly involved and to hell with the consequences.

No true Socialist, FFS. That's a trope with over a 150 million dead globally in the last century.

Hijacked again by autocrats, etc etc.

19-02-2023 10:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262056#Comment_120262056

Depends on Chinas position as well they would most likely back North Korea like before and even Iran,since Iran is one of their biggest crude oil suppliers,and China is very much dependent on it.

19-02-2023 10:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262355#Comment_120262355

Id say its stealth have gone a generation ahead of it,and will continue to do so in the future,with new stealth designs and not atleast engines,making stealth even stealthier

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/darpas-new-x-plane-aims-to-maneuver-with-nothing-but-bursts-of-air

sameoldname · 19-02-2023 10:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261069#Comment_120261069

I actually get that reference! Too many secrets...

Loved that film as a kid.

greenpilot · 19-02-2023 10:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261227#Comment_120261227

Hi,

Nope, it's definitely you!

Yep, I was in the Camp last week, in at the gear-shop, and the chap who's always in there ( I typically forget his name every time) told me that the responsibility for curating the museum has changed, due to a recent change in command. He wasn't even sure who was running it but he tells me he'll know next week.

It's such an excellent museum.

https://youtu.be/WKUBVWWrlN4

AMKC · 19-02-2023 10:52pm

That is very neat. So basically thrusters then is what it uses to manager and fly with.

Sounds like it might have a main engine and then a smaller one for the thrusters.

zv2 · 19-02-2023 10:52pm

Sniper drone!

https://twitter.com/Cmns82/status/1627422631061254144?s=20

Jinglejangle69 · 19-02-2023 11:30pm

Wonder if our Putin lovers are watching channel 4 at the moment.

Hopefully squirming at their guilty conscience.

Cowards.

cnocbui · 19-02-2023 11:53pm

Re: Fighter Jets.

I cannot see any Western fighters entering the arena in Ukraine. There are a number of reasons for this, most of this has been mentioned already by many posters.

This. SO much this. Talk of F-16's and the like has always been to my mind a pointless exercise, or a propaganda thing to appeal to people.

Looks like your opinions are not universally shared and are not ageing well.

Commander-in-chief of NATO forces in Europe, U.S. General Christopher Cavoli, is convinced that providing Ukraine with advanced Western military technology, including F-16 fighter jets, unmanned aerial vehicles, and long-range capabilities, will allow the nation to defeat Russia.

On Friday, during a closed briefing with more than 10 U.S. lawmakers, Cavoli was asked whether the F-16 fighters would help Ukraine win the war against Russia. He responded: "Yes," according to five people in the room who spoke with Politico on the condition of anonymity.

Cavoli said Ukraine needs longer-range missiles to allow its forces to strike Russian positions from farther away, putting headquarters and rear supply lines at risk, which would help disrupt the Russian war machine inside Ukraine.

At the Munich Security Conference, Cavoli said the United States and its allies should provide Ukraine with the most advanced weapons they have, including advanced aircraft, drones, and missiles with ranges over 100 kilometers.

Those weapons would do a better job positioning Kyiv to repel Moscow’s troops, Cavoli said.

The head of the Munich Security Conference, Christoph Heusgen, called for Ukraine to receive F-16 fighter jets.."Ukraine needs tanks, artillery, and fighter jets": the head of the Munich Conference stated.13/02/2023, 21:00:24

Former British Air Commander Makes The Case For Sending Fighter Jets To Ukraine (Air vice Marshal)

RFE/RL: Onto the question of Western countries sending fighter jets to Ukraine. What's the reasoning, the rationale behind not sending them, which seems to be the consensus at this point, in Washington, London, and Berlin?

Bagwell: You're going to have to ask me to be imaginative here, because I can't see the reason why not. But I know why it happens.... The primary reason we have not seen aircraft pushed forward to Ukraine is that there is a perception, falsely in my view, that aircraft cross some sort of red line as to what is acceptable to Russia, in order to support Ukraine. And, of course, Russia would [welcome] that impression...because the last thing they need is Western aircraft troubling them over the skies of Ukraine. https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-fighter-jets-f16-case/32262419.html

West should hand over combat aircraft to Ukraine – ex-NATO commander

James G. Stavridis, former commander-in-chief of NATO forces in Europe, said this on ZDF.

"I believe that Ukraine needs combat aircraft," Stavridis said.

In particular, he advocates the provision of Polish MiG-29 and American F-16 fighter jets to Kyiv.

According to Stavridis, MiG-29s can be delivered directly, and the Ukrainians know how to operate them. As for the second type of aircraft, this scheme will take more time, but Ukrainian pilots could quickly learn to fly the F-16: "It is a relatively simple aircraft that is easy to master."

US lawmakers urged Biden to train F-16 pilots ‘today’

Republican senator Lindsey Graham told ABC today that the lawmakers attending the Munich Security Conference were in "virtually unanimous belief" that the US should provide training on F-16s.

They said Mr Biden’s decision on the matter is "imminent".

Mr Graham added that the group had told Mr Biden to "stop worrying about provoking Putin" and to focus on "beating" Vladimir Putin instead.

Pelosi in Munich called the transfer of F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine a top priority.

Speaking at the Munich Security Conference, Pelosi noted that throughout 2022, US lawmakers have consistently worked to fulfill Ukraine's requests for military support.

"Now we want to achieve the transfer of the F-16. I fully support this and hope that this will be implemented," the politician said.

What is actually happening right this moment is that Biden is being politically outmanoeuvred and is being made to look bad. Even Nancy Pelosi is singing from the same hymn sheet, shoulder to shoulder with Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell, who is hitting it out of the park compared to Biden, and I am seriously not a McConnell or republican fan, but McConnell in urging that Ukraine be given a lot more and a lot faster and is clearly ahead of Biden in terms of riding the information wave and forward thinking. Biden is off on holiday in comparison. He really needs to wake up and smell the coffee as he's being outflanked by events, his enemies, his allies and his generals.

Someone seems to have realised this:

Biden was asked again if the U.S. would provide F-16s to Ukraine."No," he responded - 30-1-2023

The US ambassador to the United Nations indicated on Sunday that the White House could reverse its refusal to supply F-16 jets to Ukraine. 19-2-2023

Lol.

saabsaab · 20-02-2023 12:50am

Hope the promised tanks and estra weaponry arrive in Ukraine soon. Bakhmut is close to being encircled.

Wolf359f · 20-02-2023 12:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120263502#Comment_120263502

Looks like the French ones will be there in a week.

https://www.thejournal.ie/france-to-send-armoured-vehicles-ukraine-5999160-Feb2023/

I've heard of Ukrainians being trained on the leopards and challengers, not much info on the Bradley's yet.

Russia have been trying to take Bakhmut for 8 months now.

Gatling · 20-02-2023 12:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120263502#Comment_120263502

Be hearing that for 6 months straight

Gatling · 20-02-2023 12:58am

@cnocbui boi it's not happening not this year and not next year,

F16s are not going to be in Ukraine unless NATO interveins directly,

Opinions to the press won't be changing that

MudSpud · 20-02-2023 1:05am

You are threadbanned, further sanctions incoming

Grem

josip · 20-02-2023 1:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120260943#Comment_120260943

So if the Russians ever want to invade all they have to do is show up on a Saturday or Sunday? The Orwell Road lads will be on the blower as soon as they read that.

Seanmadradubh · 20-02-2023 6:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262836#Comment_120262836

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

The words Socialism and Communism have specific meanings. You can't just put your own arbitary meanings to words, that's not how language works.

The current Russian regime could kill millions of people and send millions more to the gulag but that will not make them communists or socialists, no matter how many times you say that it does.

(P.S. No offence but I'm not going to get into an argument with you over this topic, because that would just be a silly waste of my time)

Dufflecoat Fanny · 20-02-2023 9:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261313#Comment_120261313

It will never happen it's just propaganda for their own population. USA and EU and also the likes of Canada and Aus/NZ would start sanctions on China and cripple their economy. To be honest I wouldn't mind if they did it would be a great excuse to start halting trade with China and watch them implode. Autocratic regimes need to be a part of history

fly_agaric · 20-02-2023 10:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120263922#Comment_120263922

I don't know. They must be debating it, am sure they have been since became clear the "no limits friend" Russia is not going to win here without massive military help, perhaps matching or exceeding what the West is doing for Ukraine. Hence these warnings from the US (they made similar statements last year) that if China does cross the rubicon on it and starts supplying weaponry to the Russian military (I think [US claims] they are already supplying non lethal and dual use stuff - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-officials-believe-china-may-providing-russia-non-lethal-military-as-rcna71336 so they are limit testing) they are not going to take it lying down + there will be a direct response to it of some sort from the US.

edit: Personal opinion on is that if there's no "good" peace deal that Putin will be happy with on horizon (that is probably keeping all Russia's gains, basically in return for a ceasefire) they want the war to grind on in stalemate, and they definitely don't want Russia beaten very badly. So since their ally's weakness + inability to conquer Ukraine became clear they are helping Russia keep fighting just as much as they can, contingent with not provoking a US/European response to that (probably trade sanctions).

rogber · 20-02-2023 10:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262402#Comment_120262402

Predictable response from you. Nowhere did I say the Ukrainians SHOULD negotiate or give up land, what I said is that the powers that matter - America and Europe - will determine this and none of them seem confident the war is going to end any time soon. This is the reality, whatever the fantasists on here claim.

Even Zelensky today said they will not defend Bakhmut "at any price". So is he now an orc lover too?

But you and the other bedroom warriors keep talking the good fight. If you really want to help, why not go over there and volunteer?

vatnikbanderite · 20-02-2023 10:28am

wouldn't surprise me if China supplied weapons as a pre-curser to a Taiwan move.... a lot of their kit hasn't seen any real action... free testing, marries into their "stop NATO" narrative, will cause expediting measures from EU and US (i.e. taking some of the focus off the Pacific)..

If they have enough war coffers for the few months they expect a Taiwan move would take, any sanctions would be symbolic in nature (sanctions hurt both sides, and the west have heavy reliance on China).... and if Taiwan fell, China could remove support for Russia change tact and look like good boys on the security council with their new piece of land....

Obviously a different story if Taiwan dragged out for any longer (which it would, with proper opposition)... but the Chinese very much think they are the winners already..

fly_agaric · 20-02-2023 10:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120264059#Comment_120264059

Yes it would be a stupid action (IMO) but then they are led by 1 old guy and his clique (mostly "yes men" I assume by now) who don't really listen that hard to opinions of anyone else when they make their decisions (see Zero Covid).

It's plain to me China are helping Russia as they can here while trying to avoid blowback (non lethal aid supplied somewhat deniably via Chinese "private" companies which we know must be being permitted by the party to do this, and also spreading and boosting Russia's propaganda narratives around the world using their media).

Dufflecoat Fanny · 20-02-2023 10:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120264037#Comment_120264037

USA buys 453 billion from China to Russia's 88 billion. No way in hell are they going to jeopardize all that for the sake of Russian relations. It's all bluster.

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