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Death of Nicola Bulley, Lancashire UK

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  • Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    you don't know that they didnt' comb the area thoroughly. Her body could have moved, she might have been deeply submerged under reeds. A friend of mine went into the river some years ago, deliberately, weighted down with stones in all her clothing. She wasn't found for 2 weeks.


    I strongly object to the vilification of the police in this. Not one of us know what their search entailed and what information they had. Yes they should have said at the beginning that poor Nicola was vulnerable, but maybe the family didn't want that so early on, maybe they thought Nicola would return. The police faced fierce and unprecedented backlash from Social Media and TikTokers. This is the insanity of the world we live in, sad people believing they are experts from their armchairs! Police were damned if they did, damned if they didn't. Shame on everyone who thought they knew better.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,961 ✭✭✭Deeec


    People committing suicide in rivers is not uncommon but they dont attract public or media attention - people tend to sympathise with these cases and leave well alone. If the police had said from the beginning that she was vulnerable the media would have left the case alone. What was unusual about this case was the way the phone was left and the dogs behaviour. The public were led to believe she was a happy contented woman with no problems - this is what attracted the attention. The belief was that this happy woman couldn't have committed suicide, she couldn't have gone in after the dog etc as the dog was dry. People and her family seemed to believe that something else could have happened Nicola and were critical of the polices approach. The police should have been more honest from the beginning and then when they did release information they went way too far with the personal information regarding Nicola. The police did handle the whole thing badly. Lets hope for their sake that she was in the river all along and that no foul play was involved.

    As for people digging into social media etc - they are sad people and should be prosecuted.

    Im glad that there is closure for her family and that they were not left wondering where she was. It is such a sad event.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,142 ✭✭✭screamer


    Sad for her family, but if it is her, at least they know where she is and what happened to her. I do think it’s shameful the information the police released about her, and that they would release such information so publically about someone who was struggling with mental health issues makes it a shockingly bad judgement call. I do hope there’s an enquiry and protocols put in place to prevent any police team repeating that ever again.

    I think overall, there is a lack of trust in the police force and the last number of horrific murders of women by strangers have whipped up the public’s fear.

    my sympathy to her daughters most of all, who will have to grow up without their mum.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,010 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    So Peter Faulding, after very publicly and categorically stating numerous times that she was "not in the river" after his "extensive and thorough search" has now rowed back and is saying that he never said she was not in the river, meant she was not "on the riverbed", that the reeds at the side of the river were "not part of our remit".

    Very, very bad form on his part.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,005 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Very sad that she is dead but good that her body has been found and the family will have some closure

    May she

    Rest In Peace

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,961 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I have to say yes it would appear that he was wrong. However it has not been confirmed how long she was in the water or if she died in the water.

    We have to hold off on judging Peter until the facts are released.



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I do think sometimes they can be a clash between Search and Rescue people and Police.

    I remember another case I found the Search and Rescue person very arrogant and negative towards the authorities.

    I think they maybe issues with sharing information and what's legal at times.

    Obviously there are cases when they work together without any issue.



  • Registered Users Posts: 727 ✭✭✭Carol25


    Sad outcome if it is her body but at least closure for her family and friends. So sad for the two young girls growing up without their Mum. This whole case and media coverage was strange from the get go, not all details were public and the details that were had people baffled. Then the police completely overshare information with family agreement to prevent some individuals selling stories to journalists. The media, social media and police plus the whole online community have serious questions to answer in this case. All could have damaged the investigation and led to no outcome for the family.



  • Registered Users Posts: 112 ✭✭ElJaguar




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,157 ✭✭✭Be right back


    He should really shut up now out of respect to her family, instead of trying to save face.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    "Confidentiality " what a joke

    Guy can't keep his mouth shut



  • Registered Users Posts: 549 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    I said it at the time. People put way too much faith in that Faulding guy. Red herring.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    He probably has a point in that if he knew the likelihood was she was in river it would have led to a more intensive search

    As it was he was probably working off the assumption that she wasn't based on the circumstantial evidence and the fact a preliminary search didn't find her

    Likely his POV anyhow



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Can you link to where Faulding actually said that she was "not in the river" after his "extensive and thorough search" including where he said what you quoted him saying? My understanding was that he said she was not in the section of the river that he searched (and which the police had searched three times).



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    Why should the police need to justify their approach? They knew she was vulnerable. Her family knew she was vulnerable.

    As I said, even if they said she was vulnerable, the online sleuths would just start speculating what they meant.

    Even if she wasn't vulnerable, the simplest explanation is always the most likely. There was 0 evidence for an abduction/murder.



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    What a clown indeed. Whether she entered the river via suicide or falling in, was irrelevant to his search. He was searching if she was in the river.



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion




  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    The police re-iterating time and time again they believe she was in the river wasn't enough?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    He has a point though

    If you know someone's in the river you're recovering the body

    If you don't think that you'd probably limit the search



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,912 ✭✭✭Xander10


    The body was found at the point she was believed to enter the river, not miles away. "Limit search" comment doesn't stand up.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,961 ✭✭✭Deeec


    We still dont know if she died in the water or how long she was in the water though. Just because she was found in the river doesnt necessarily mean she has been there since she went missing.

    In all likelihood she probably did commit suicide but we dont know for sure yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,441 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    There was zero reason for Faulding to have spoken out previously, there is zero reason for him to be speaking now, he should shut the **** up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,485 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Hadn't that area been scanned by police?

    It wasn't just Faulding who was searching the area.

    "“We did search the stretch of river where Nicola was found for four hours on our first day and then upstream past the weir on the subsequent two days. The police underwater search teams and land search teams were searching for three full weeks and were also unable to find Nicola. “Unfortunately it was a member of the public that made a grim discovery, unconfirmed as yet to be Nicola,” Mr Faulding said.He went on: “Sadly, the discovery was not found in the river but in the reeds at the side of the river which was not part of our remit as the side scan sonar does not penetrate reeds above or below the water. A riverbank and wade search would be the only way to search this area and we were not involved or tasked with that search."

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nicola-bulley-body-found-river-wyre-dive-expert-b2285542.html

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,010 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa



    Gladly.

    Here's where he states both "she is not in the river" and "she is not in that river"

    The diver said: "We have the best piece of equipment you can buy. If I can't find them, it means they're not there." Mr Faulding added: "That's how confident I am. It's the same for buried human remains, if someone's in the woods I will find them. The the area where Nicola went in was searched thoroughly by very professional police divers on the day - very thoroughly - and she was not there, which leads me to believe that she is not in that river.

    "But we got involved 10 days after them. We re-searched that area with up and down streams extremely thoroughly, with high-frequency side scan sonar." He added: "If Nicola had been in the river she would've floated up by now. She's not in the river."

    Source:


    Here's where he said that it was an "extensive and thorough search":

    Source:


    And, just to be very clear, here's where he admits that he searched the area where she was actually found:

    "We did search the stretch of river where Nicola was found for four hours on our first day and then upstream past the weir on the subsequent two days.


    Source:




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,912 ✭✭✭Xander10



    Peter Faulding, who describes himself as a 'world leading confined space rescue and forensic search specialist', was brought in to help search for the missing mother-of-two in early February.

    He had said his high-tech £55,000 sonar would find any bodies in the river and was convinced Ms Bulley was not in the water when, after three days of searching, no body had been recovered.

    Police recovered a body from the river on Sunday just a mile from where the 45-year-old went missing in St Micheal's on Wyre in Lancashire on January 27 while out on a dog walk.

    On Sunday, Mr Faulding said he hadn't ruled out Ms Bulley being found in the reeds as he hadn't searched there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    The public safety concerns are what created the initial media circus and hysteria which then led to online circus/conspiracy theories etc.

    Her family then seemingly contradicting the police theory and stating "she was a strong swimmer" and " she's not in the river" etc.

    The private diver bring brought in to prove the negative that she was not in the river. All of this led to fuelling the public/media/social media circus.

    From the outset it should have been stated by police that she was vulnerable and they were concerned for her safety. I dont think her family/freinds should have been anywhere near the media now that we know what we know.

    The whole thing has been a car crash imo but the police are the professionals who deal with these scenarios regularly and i think they messed up given everything we now know.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,485 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Three weeks of police searches also missed the body. One mile from where she was supposed to have gone into the water.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,912 ✭✭✭Xander10


    it's 99.9% likely she was in the water day one. Realistically, no one expects a different scenario post port mortem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,912 ✭✭✭Xander10


    not uncommon for bodies to take awhile to surface . I do personally believe, Faulding's comment's hindered matters and convince the Police to look further out to sea etc, based on his "full proof" search comments.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,010 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Yes, but the Police weren't so arrogant as to believe that just because they hadn't found her yet, she couldn't be in the water.



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