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Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [** POSSIBLE SPOILERS **]

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    #3212
    ilovesmybrick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120258198#Comment_120258198

    Yeah, didn't play much STO aside from when it came out, but I was on a Memory Beta binge a while back and apparently there's some storyline they shooed in so you could play the Disco ships where a 23rd century shipyard became off limits due to radiation, and in the 25th century they found a way to recover them.

    Actually an episode storyline that could potentially be a bit of fun. I generally dislike the reliance on STO ships, but use it to show me a 25th century Miranda and I'm sold!



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    #3213
    breezy1985
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120258524#Comment_120258524

    I just think it's boring. We get told we will see a "new" ship but it's always just some STO ship that some fringe section of fans jizzes about.



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    #3214
    Riddle101
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    My first impression of Captain Shaw is that he harbors a grudge against the Borg which would explain why he seems disdainful of Picard and Seven of Nine even referring to them as ex-borg in a kind've derogatory way. I'm guessing he lost family at the Battle of Wolf 359 or something. Just a guess but there's probably something deeper to his personality.



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    #3215
    breezy1985
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120263577#Comment_120263577

    Bet he dies saving them in the end.



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    #3216
    TheIrishGrover
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    Wasn't bad. I presume we are meant to ponder if Not-Eddie-Redmayne is Picard's son. But Picard always started strong and then, by episode 3 had well and truly Lemminged off a cliff. So I'm expecting the same.

    The Good:

    • Riker. Thought Frakes was great. Really having fun: "You can hardly hold a phaser and my knees are killing me. We're OK if we don't have to shoot or move" (Or words to that effect). And his interactions with Seven.
    • Liked the new captain. But yeah, he's DEFINITELY gonna die doing the right thing.
    • The music
    • Riker and Picard in the bunks. Saw it coming but was still funny

    The Bad:

    • SUDDENLY we hear about this Borg-just-add-3 "corruption"?
    • The reveal of the baddie ship. Stupid looking: "Oh we are eeeeeevil so we must be all pointy and predator-like. Welcome to our ship The Grim Reaper" A ship can look ominous without being all pointy and scary looking "Oh it's like those spiders with the REALLY long front legs that they use to surround their prey". Yeah, we get it. Not subtle.
    • SO dark (Lighting-wise).
    • There is a difference between referring back to the past and nostalgia porn. I get Beverly having mementos of her dead husband. But Captain's Log from Best of Both Words? Why that other than to tug as the memberberries. If not careful, it could get quite tedious. I would have preferred his "Inner Light" flute maybe just be over the fireplace instead of in his hands.

    And the Meh:

    • Well, Raffi's back (Ugh. But we knew that of course). Fine actor. Why not just have her fighting her addiction demons instead of then un-subtly hammering home her estrangement from her daughter... again. On the plus side: She didn't get a chance to say "Jay-Ell".... Yet.




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    #3217
    Evade
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    I saw a plausible explanation for the dark lighting somewhere, it hides a lot of cut corners. TNG could afford to be bright because the TVs back then had less than 1/16 of the resolution of some TVs today, assuming Picard is available in 4k.



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    #3218
    MisterAnarchy
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    The Critical Drinker has seen all of season 3 and gives it a thumbs up.

    Best Star Trek show in 20 years according to him.

    Promising.



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    #3219
    Stark
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265161#Comment_120265161

    Makes sense. I remember watching Farscape back in the day and the 4th season had very dark lighting. The reason given being that the sets were getting old and they were trying to hide the imperfections. Similarly, "Generations" had quite dark lighting compared to the TV show as the flaws in the TV sets would show up more on the big screen.



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    #3220
    ilovesmybrick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120266195#Comment_120266195

    Yeah, I saw that and was stunned, because it wasn't just him. He's one of the better of the outrage critics, but those lads Nerdrotic and Cullen were also raving about it which is honestly shocking.


    Also Red letter media also went back to Picard and were similarly positive. I don't want to get my hopes up yet, but if they've won over the most vocal and outraged critics there must be someting there



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    #3221
    Evade
    Registered Users Posts: 6,786 ✭✭✭Evade


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120266252#Comment_120266252

    In one of the scenes in Generations that had to be well lit, the holodeck arch on the sailing ship, you could see the Philips head screws holding the LCARS panel in place.



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    #3222
    pixelburp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120266739#Comment_120266739

    Meanwhile, in Undiscovered Country the Enterprise sets looked absolutely awful; dented, scuffed and basically in terrible condition. Now. They worked it into the script and one of the crew on the eve of retirement, but the HD hasn't been kind.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120266467#Comment_120266467

    Thing is, both seasons started strong, intriguing even, and nosedived by about episode 3 or 4. If I watch this it'll be after a season of genuine praise.



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    #3223
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120266940#Comment_120266940

    They've seen it all, no?



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    #3224
    pah
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120267387#Comment_120267387

    Some of them have seen 6 episodes and some have seen them all, overwhelmingly positive.



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    #3225
    fritzelly
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    Newer trailer - the CGI at 1.17 doesn't look great, more game quality than tv/movie quality


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw8EhzlEuAs




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    #3226
    TheIrishGrover
    Registered Users Posts: 6,063 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120266467#Comment_120266467

    I don't watch any of those YouTube blogs 'cos they can tend to be quite toxic. So if I am wrong, please correct me. I will fully accept your clarification/rebuttal.

    But from my limited experience with blogs like these, they tend to be all about the nostalgia and keeping true to the source material.Deviations are RARELY accepted and usually outright HATED (This is not what this conversation is about). So as this is relying SO much on nostalgia, I would have thought that this would have been right up their alley. Almost pandering to them. Pandering to the nostalgia to the detriment of the ACTUAL story. Once you get over the whole "Yay, it's Geordie!" "Look, it's Worf!" "Deanna!!! and she mentioned Reg Barkley. Cool!" etc, is it a good show?

    Once again, I do NOT know these Youtubers so I ABSOLUTELY will stand corrected if I am misinterpreting them but that's how it looks to me.



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    #3227
    pixelburp
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    The Red Letter Media review was quite interesting 'cos while they called out the blatant nostalgia baiting, their opinion was basically "This isn't bad: it's basically movie TNG, done right" while noting much of the plot seemed to be cribbing from Movies II, III and VI.

    Both reviewers were totally burned out on Picard so I'm surprised they even put up a review in the first place; their generally positive opinions have been surprising, their perspective simply adjusted to watching it as an apparently better attempt at the films.



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    #3228
    Bobtheman
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    I have watched episode 1 season 3 and I like it. Sure its nostalgia but nothing wrong with that.

    I watched a review on the dave Cullen show. I like his reviews. Unlike the other shows he doesn't make it about him.

    He is positive about it but laments it's not based around stand alone episodes which I totally agree with.

    I just hope they don't shoe horn in Brent spiner again.

    They made a bags of the series and I think are just relying on the old gang to finish with positive vibes.

    I said it before but an 80 plus Patrick Stewart has his best acting days behind him and while he was capable of carrying off episodes of TNG on his own it was really an ensemble cast.

    They did try creating an ensemble around him but it was very hit and miss. Seven of 9 without the outfit wasn't much use as an actor



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    #3229
    breezy1985
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120269443#Comment_120269443

    Lore is confirmed so expect Spiner at some stage.



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    #3230
    Bobtheman
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120268690#Comment_120268690

    I do tend to agree with you on the YouTubers but dave Cullen is not too bad. But I think Picard did deserve a slating for both season 1 and 2.

    I disagree with them over discovery. The first three seasons weren't that bad at all even if I'm a bit sick of prequels. But after the 4th season I'm checking out.

    It was terribly terribly tedious



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    #3231
    pixelburp
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    I think some of the mentioned YouTube creators are a bit toxic and trot out the usual outrage broken-records of Woke This & That (I nope'd from Cullen once I saw him moaning about Dr. Who's gender switch) ... but I think with Picard its quality of writing has been so abysmal it doesn't matter what cultural angle you come at it from - it has been a badly written show that flubs even basic tenets of scriptwriting.

    But RLM giving its first episode a broadly positive thumbs-up has been a surprise. Still holding fire, but my eyebrow has been raised. Pitching that first episode against the TNG movies was an interesting point of view I hadn't considered.



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    #3232
    TheValeyard
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    I'm just weary since Season one and two started off good and then just fell off a cliff

    I rewatched episode one and two of S2 recently and it wasnt bad. But the rest of the season......

    All Eyes On Rafah



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    #3233
    pixelburp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120274638#Comment_120274638

    Season 2 had a legitimately decent hook, albeit in the worst indulgences of the Mystery Box style of writing that - surprise surprise - came from cohorts and contemporaries of JJ Abrams. But the way the show just Hard Left banked into that godawful LA 2026 storyline smelt of a slashed budget, or something beyond it being a genuine creative decision.



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    #3234
    EltonJohn69
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    Another great episode

    Shaw is great… love a good coward

    worf went full Star Wars

    and the villain is great so far… a full nut job



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    #3235
    Brian?
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    Just finished episode 2. Thought it was awful. The whole Rafi storyline ruined the flow of the episode

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #3236
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119719260#Comment_119719260

    That trailer looks great but having watched Picard 1 and 2, and recognising all of the missed oppertunities for true greatness, my expectations are set kind of low. In many ways that trailer looks like what could have been a decent sequel to ST: Nemesis.



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    #3237
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119721340#Comment_119721340

    I suspect you are right about the big reveal already revealed, and thats what I mean about missed oppertunities. The trailer was pretty good already without showing Lore or Moriarty. They have prevented me from having the OMG Thats Lore!!! - moment. Or OMG, thats Moriarty!.

    I keep saying, it would have been so much cooler in Season 1 if Hugh arrived in the reclaimed cube to rescue Picard, instead of Riker.



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    #3238
    corkie
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    The Next Generation Cast on the Best, Worst (and Future) of Star Trek

    Warning may contain spoilers from trailers etc.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnySfN02YYQ




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    #3239
    Acosta
    Registered Users Posts: 2,360 ✭✭✭Acosta


    Oh how I've missed Riker. What a legend!



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    #3240
    Firblog
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    Is there a worse actor about than yer one that plays 'raffi'? She is absolutely mind bogglingly poor



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    #3241
    breezy1985
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120292124#Comment_120292124

    I've not seen her in anything else so I'll reserve judgement but the character is shockingly boring. The tweeked out thing was boring in season 1 and more so now. I have no interest in watching what is going on with her.



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