NI Dec 22 Assembly Election

Nigel Dodds added another 'test' today, stating the NIP Bill must become law too.

Like you said the suspicion is that the tests are designed to fail, thereby meaning they can stay out of Stormont

Not battered wives. Seems like we are sexy because you guys keep chasing us and trying to convince us to marry you. After 100 years you would think you might take no for an answer and stop stalking us. No means no

This stuff is so nasty I probably shouldn’t respond, but hey.

if the south doesn’t fancy us then why the infatuation with us and the determination to ensure there is no border between us.

I know you would love ni to have a majority who want to partition from Uk. Unfortunately for you, 100 years, discrimination, violent conflict, brexit, Celtic Tigre, etc, etc and the 33% who wanted a United ireland in 1923 has became 32% in 2023. If you need to rant and convince yourself the union is in trouble, I understand.

Look at it from the majority side. Here you (and the DUP/TUV) are attempting to impose a decision on them which they have democratically said they don't want -Brexit.

You've seriously no idea what I'm "going on about"?

Either:

1. You're lying or
2. You didn't open the links or
3. You haven't a clue about politics in the 6 counties

Whatever the reason(s), I notice that you haven't replied to the clip of Jeffrey saying there's no problem with an Irish sea border or denied the fact that the reason the DUP have boycotted the NI Assembly is nothing to do with the protocol.

I had a wee search to try and find evidence of "unionists" or ("the community" as you call them) forcing the DUP to change their position.

The only articles I could find (and there's a few of them, I've linked 1 below) involved a minority group known as the LCC (Loyalist Communities Council) who represent UDA, UVF and Red Hand Commando i.e. criminals.

Why on earth would this group be so concerned about imports at the docks? What on earth would they be importing?

Their "chairman" (I kid you not, these gangsters have a "chairman") said “I’ve made no secret of the fact that if the basis of the ceasefires is removed – in other words the constitutional stability that the Belfast Agreement provided – then these organisations are going to doubt the very basis on which they agreed their ceasefires,”

So, a not so thinly veiled threat of violence if the instability continues. These lads really hate the imports being checked. How weird is that?

Even weirder is that there were no threats from the LCC when Stormont collapsed and created instability between 2002-2007 and 2017-2020.

Why not? ... (clue: answer involves the words "Taig" "First Minister" and "Cocaine")

Loyalist Communities Council chairman: If DUP goes soft on Northern Ireland Protocol it will stir unrest in UVF/UDA ranks | Belfast News Letter

Unionists are from Mars and Southerners are from Venus.

I have to accept that choochtown and his mates actually believe his strange reading of the situation.

without pointing out the nonsense of his post and, eg the different interpretations when The likes of david Campbell (a gfa creator and supporter) points out risk of violence compared to when SF, SDLP and Leo do it.

the Ecj is a red line for ordinary unionists on the ground. If the dup accept a situation where there is compulsory rule by Ecj in ni then they will be in serious election danger going forward. No one cares if there is a voluntary sign up to Ecj option to those who wish to choose that.

now francie etc will have his spin ready if this happens as it has been stated clearly on here that this will not happen.

I am curious. If Ecj does not end up the final arbitrator on goods in ni, will posters here accept that is a major win from the unionist community’s fight?

same question, if we get to a point where goods moving from gb for use in ni are not checked? ie no border in Irish Sea for goods and people moving from gb to ni. Again no one cares if southerners are strip searched at Larne (indeed the more searching of southerners then the more jobs for the people of Larne - hopefully paid for by eu. If that happens it will be a stark reminder for everyone crossing the Irish Sea that OWC is firmly British and ROI os clearly not British - no fuzziness

That would be a wonderful outcome - along with our special status for trading with eu. I don’t expect this to happen in the next few weeks but I do hope it is the final destination. Onwards and upwards

Ireland and the rest of the EU did force the UK to have an internal border within the Uk i.e. between N.I. and the mainland.

Varadkar warned the EU that a hard border risks return to violence of the past in Ireland.

The UK government gave in to this threat of violence. Big mistake. Pity they had not someone the calibre of Margaret Thatcher in government.

Where in the GFA does it say there could never be a customs type border between N.I. and the 26 counties? There is already imposed by the Irish government if you want to buy a car from N.I for example. Why not for other goods if it saves having a border elsewhere?

N.B. for people I think the border between N.I. and Scotland is ok, because it is easier to check people getting off a plane or ferry. For heavy goods lorries, no..... because more goods go between N.I and Britain than between N.I and the 26 counties afaik. Plain common sense.

Thatcher who signed the Anglo Irish Agreement despite her Out Out Out stuff and a massive Unionist hissy fit?

You have a very poor memory of history

So which 'promise' did the perfidious Tories renege on?

No dissident group issued any threats that I am aware of. I would like to see this claim backed up too.

The first warning came from the PSNI 7th Feb 2018

Varadkar warned about it on 18th Oct. 2018

The misrepresentation of these warnings comes exclusively from Unionists and their backers.