Fg councillor receives death threats for speaking the truth!

Why do we need to do anything ?

Workers of this country have been ridden enough . Paying people to do f..k all for generations isn’t acceptable to a lot of people .

And it isn’t just paying them welfare . We must house them as well ! And in the case of a certain ethnic minority we have to pay to have AGS try to keep tabs on them .

Paying people to do f..k all for generations has been perfectly acceptable to most people, for generations. It’s why we continue to vote for politicians who, like the councillor in question, are very good at shìt-stirring, but of fcukall use to do anything else. That’s why there are people here saying she’d be popular were she to stand in the next general election. Where do you imagine the funds to pay politicians salaries comes from?

I don’t think you can count politicians as an ethnic minority though, no matter how closely they need to be kept tabs on by Gardaí.

If by “completely accurate” you mean there’s the same truth to the claim as claims of mothers leaving their buggies at bus stops because they can’t take them on the bus and they can get money from the social to get another one anyway, then yes, the claim is completely accurate.

Otherwise, no, it’s bullshìt.

Councils spend tens of millions every year on renovating and repairing their social housing stock. As they should . But it is another cost attributable to the welfare state .

We can’t have these lads doing anything to help themselves . Much easier to have the working man / woman pay for it .

It is true that the DSP pay out money for child buggies.

I know they do, but that wasn’t the original claim, but yes, it is a cost attributable to the welfare state, and an obligation which all too often councillors have neglected because they act like the funds are coming out of their own pockets. That’s why families requiring accommodation are all too often housed in squalid conditions, as opposed to the idea that councils gut and refit houses every time a tenant moves out, and before a new tenant moves in. Allowing people to live in such conditions provides no value or benefit to the State whatsoever. It’s quite literally pissing money down the drain.

Go after the organ grinder instead of cribbing about the monkey.

I know that -

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/supplementary_welfare_schemes/additional_needs_payment.html

You appear to have overlooked the meat of the claim though - that there is as much truth to the claim of mothers leaving buggies at bus stops because they can’t take them on the bus and they can get money from the social to get another one anyway.

But Councils do gut and refit in many cases . They spend eye watering sums of money in remediating the damage caused by some of their tenants . In the last 25 years , in a town near me , three settlements , of multiple housing units each have been demolished in their entirety because they were wrecked . This was on top of several individual houses having to be completely refurbished and also clearing up after several illegal encampments - one of which cost 19 k to clean up .

Im not sure of who you are referring to wrt the organ grinder and the monkey but to me the only ape is the working man who is forking out for all of this .

@One eyed Jack

Usually find myself agreeing with you but in this case I've seen the proof of what the councillor said throughout my life and it continues to this day. Yes, the underlying problem is the main cause but it would be no harm to fix one of the major symptoms of that main cause. Plus, lets be honest. No matter who is in power, they will not start taking houses away from people, it would be political suicide. That doesn't stop the genuine anger people feel. I'm not talking about throwing everyone out of their council houses, most of them are needed and indeed deserved but there are people, entire families in fact who simply do not deserve the perks they get when the rest of us need to work hard to come anywhere close. There has to be a better and fairer way to go about things and it cannot involve major political change as we know how that goes in Ireland. We can't even vote a different party in, no matter how beaten down by them we are.

That (the part of her statement mentioning the kids) is the one part I wish she hadn't included and I'd imagine, apart from the pandering apology, the one part she regrets.

The thing is these kids don't get their attitudes, education, viewpoints or anything else from Aisling Moran, they get it from the parents, unfortunately. So if you don't address the adults in the room then how will anything ever change? Saying its too far gone and hoping the next generation will be an improvement has been done and it's failed from everything I've seen. The parents get worse (as parents and members of society), the kids get treated worse and eventually grow into the little charmers who think they are entitled to everything for free. They do what the want, which is fine by the parents and they learn little titbits like, don't bother paying for refuse collection. Just f*ck it where you stand and the council will solve the problem, along with all others. The anger is justified here and I'm not sure why Aisling Moran is getting more of it than the frankly sh*tty and unsuitable parents who allow generations of their family to freeload.

Well that’s true only up to a certain point Deebles, because Aisling Moran certainly didn’t inherit her values from her father, who was an absolute gentleman, didn’t matter what anyone’s social status was, he would never have come out with an outburst like his daughter-

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2019/05/14/councillor-john-moran-signs-off-with-a-few-tears-and-admiration-ringing-in-his-ears/

I don’t think it’s too much to hope for that their children will inherit their values from her wife, rather than Aisling, similar to the way in which traveller children for example inherit their attitudes to education from their mothers, instead of what is often their fathers attitude of bitterness and perpetual misery at the idea that he could’ve been a contender.

You’re not going to be able to influence all children, but you count your blessings with the children who don’t enter into the family business but take advantage of every opportunity they get, which aren’t many, and not nearly as many as children who don’t grow up in grinding poverty will have.

Or, you could spend time condemning their parents, for all the good anyone imagines that’ll do. It’s cathartic, but it changes nothing, and it lets people with the authority and the power and the responsibility for social change, off the hook, by focusing people’s ire on the wrong target that is absolutely guaranteed not to give a fcuk, because what have they got to lose? At least politicians can be brought to heel by the threat of losing their seat, because that’s the only way change would happen at a national level, by changing national policies, or at local level by not being a miserable punt and losing their temper in frustration when they’re not getting their own way.

It's very clearly an unfair system when someone in perfect health who hasn't worked in years gets a home that's nicer than the home of someone who works hard all their life. Working people have a right to be pissed off with the people with forever homes who don't even pay rent to the council for many months. Yes theirs bigger issues like how much money the government waste but this is still as issue

Yes, it is unfair. But the way to solve it is not by stoking indignation and then doing nothing, but by implementing solutions. For example, same houses that are given for free can be given to working people who can pay the mortgage, but cannot get it from the banks. This would mean that councils need to build thousands of houses at a taxpayers expense, but these money will be returned.

Council are now building houses and only putting in kitchen units. Floors, wardrobes, white goods all have to be paid for. All they need to do is fill in a form and social welfare meet most of the costs.

Was chatting to a welfare officer recently who said they are now approving car repairs and new tyres.

Why would you bother working when you get all this for free. The sense of entitlement is astounding all fed by government policy.

But she isn't primarily talking about 'welfare fraud' she's focusing on a system that incentivises "people who are well able to work but choose the dole as a career option.” If FG tried to reform the welfare and tax systems to break this culture of dependency they would absolutely face a massive backlash from the other political parties, the NGOs & the media. Plus they would never get FF and the Greens on board with such reform so they don't even talk about the issue and carry on boosting welfare spending.