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Spring social welfare bonus question

  • 21-02-2023 6:55pm
    #1
    Registered Users Posts: 171 ✭✭jimjangles


    I was watching the news and was unsure.

    So what I'm understanding from it is if you're single, unemployed, don't have kids, aren't old or disabled or a carer you get nothing, no bonus. Zilch.

    Is that correct?



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  • Posts: 693 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you're a tax payer there's nothing in it for you!

    You're just expected to trundle along & be happy with your lot!



  • Registered Users Posts: 171 ✭✭jimjangles


    At least you have a job and a wage and a purpose. I'm sure it pays a good bit better than the dole. Anyway the silence brings me to the conclusion that I'm correct. Single people are excluded. Well they've lost my vote. The government openly discriminate now I see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,103 ✭✭✭KanyeSouthEast


    All core social welfare payments getting €200 so they only “discriminate” against working people it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 942 ✭✭✭thegame983


    if you're on the dole you get €200 quid I think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    It’s only people who work that don’t get anything



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    The price of petrol is going up to help pay for it. Vote for SF. They’re going to raise the dole to at least €300 per week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 171 ✭✭jimjangles



    Thanks all, SF it is. 😆

    I say Hello Mary Lou...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,099 ✭✭✭standardg60


    No bonus for sitting on your hole while there's full employment and companies screaming out for staff?

    I certainly hope so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    If you are on the dole and got a council house you’d be better off than many middle income families that pay their mortgage themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    yep ,we got this all wrong did'nt we.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭hawthorne


    Incorrect. Everybody still pays only 9% VAT on their ESB bill. So there is a small biteen of a bonus there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes


    As firms cry out for workers, government policy is to pay people not to work. They no longer even try to incentivize work, just a perpetual stream of bonuses and "double welfare payments" for lying around. No help for the people actually getting up every day to keep the country running---just the proverbial middle finger.



  • Registered Users Posts: 171 ✭✭jimjangles


    It's difficult to get a job in my chosen field. I'm not sitting on my hole by choice honestly. I might give up on my chosen field and do something else. It's like you have to have experience but you can't get the experience they're looking for because to get the experience you need experience so you're basically screwed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭hawthorne


    Clever strategy. People who just sit on their arse do not exercise enough and die much younger than those who move around a lot. Big savings on healthcare and pension payments. Free fags and free booze for those on SW payments might even speed up the process!



  • Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭squidgainz


    You get a job in a different field while looking for a job in your chosen field. Common sense really.



  • Registered Users Posts: 171 ✭✭jimjangles


    Not all people on the dole are chain smokers and alcoholics. That's a stereotype.Also more free time means more time to exercise. So sorry to burst your bubble. 😆

    I want to get off it as soon as I can anyway it's boring, I want a job. 200 euro will be gone on shopping and bills in no time anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,047 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Without getting caught up in the rights or wrongs. Those who are on a long term Jobseekers payment (12 months or more) will get the €200 payment, much the same as they recieved the Christmas payment.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 693 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They might give us a double tax free allowance!


    The Tax Payers!!!



  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you're single, unemployed, don't have kids, aren't old or disabled or a carer.... why aren't you working?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭beachhead




  • Registered Users Posts: 171 ✭✭jimjangles


    Why aren't I working?

    I can't get a job.

    There's nothing available around me that is even remotely suitable. It's also not as easy to get a job as a lot of people on this forum like to make out. If you're in a job you just don't understand. Some people are really lousy on these forums and they have this negative attitude towards unemployed people. This crappy attitude that unemployed people don't want to work. They just don't have a flipping clue. They really don't. Anyway I'm thankful to the people that answered my question but it kind of shows the rotten attitude that some people have too.



  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nothing "remotely suitable"? Like you think you should have the luxury of choice? If there is nothing suitable around you, move.

    Have you actually ever read the terms of the "efforts" condition on Jobseekers payments, and also the rules on "unreasonable restrictions"? It's time DSP started actively applying these conditions vigourously.

    Spare me the sob story of how people on this forum are being soooo mean to you. If immigrants who struggle with the language can come into this country and manage to find jobs, then why can't you?

    Enough with the excuses. The people on this forum who you accuse of having a crappy attitude are the ones who work hard and pay for everything themselves, and pay the tax that funds social welfare, and we are sick of listening to excuses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭hawthorne


    Hey...man....don't get me wrong. I was in satire mode😜



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭The DayDream


    I haven't read a single article saying that everyone on social welfare will get this bonus, they all say as the OP said, that it's those on disability, carers etc. The fact they all seem to specify this leads me to believe that it's because it's only those that will get it.

    I'm in the same boat, single man, and I lost my job in October meaning I didn't qualify for the Christmas bonus and even if this one does go to all jobseekers if it's limited to those on it over 12 months I won't get this one either. I don't understand why that is a condition of it, I was making minimum wage it's not like I was able to squirrel away huge sums. I was also paying taxes the last few years. Yet I can't get the bonus while someone who hasn't paid in at all will?

    Boils my blood how people working believe all unemployed people get handouts thrown at them left and right. They've obviously never been in the system (lucky them). There's actually lots of loopholes they use to keep certain things off you, like this bewildering 12 months thing. After college I did one of those Jobbridge internships, led to nowhere and then when it was done I was denied fuel allowance that winter because the entire 9 months on Jobridge didn't count towards the time you needed to be on the dole to get it. If I did nothing at all those 9 months I would have gotten it, instead I was working full time for free.

    And they do actually apply the conditions, the poster above will be happy to hear. I've already had two meetings with Intreo where they check you are applying for jobs, and tbh both people I dealt with were not very nice, really talked down to me, which wasn't what I needed after losing my job.

    The full employment thing isn't true everywhere. I live in a small rural town. There's not many jobs going. I check every day, apply for whatever I can. I have no car and transport around here is a joke which limits me a lot. For family reasons and the fact I have a dog it would be difficult to move.

    The guy in Intreo said they're under pressure to move people off the live register. Why would that be if we are at full employment? Believe me a lot of these full employment numbers are smoke and mirrors and made look good by putting as many people on CE schemes or courses as they can - then you don't count on the register.

    Telling someone unemployed to 'just move' to get a job... Uh, have you tried looking on daft lately. There's nowhere to move to! And if you found somewhere in an area that has more jobs it's going to cost you a fortune to pay the deposit at current levels. Where does an unemployed person get the money to relocate when cost of living is so high you can barely save 20 quid a week? And a lot of landlords or houseshares will only take people who are working.



  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They've had plenty of cash thrown at them since last October. Off the top of my head there were at least two separate "cost of living" payments made before Christmas, not including the Christmas bonus itself and not including the electricity credits.

    TBH it was the "nothing suitable" comment that annoyed me most.

    And yes, delighted to hear that DSP are enforcing their own conditions and trying to get people off the live register. Good. It's about damn time.

    So excuse me if I don't get out my tiny violin for these kinds of stories anymore.

    Like I said it's amazing how so many immigrants can come into the country and somehow manage to find work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    There should be two categories of Unemployment benefit

    One for those who have worked for a period of greater than lets say 5 years and have made some effort

    Second one for those who never worked a day in their lives and this should be UK type Dole levels



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,047 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    There's been a few but yes I agree the articles very anbigious. This nest explains who'll get the payment, in essence all those on long term Jobseekers payment, much the same as Christmas payment (12 months or more) as well as this on Disibility, WFP & Pensioners.



    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭trixiebust


    A person is hounded for asking a simple question, on what is the state benefits forum. Leaves me thinking that maybe the site's problems aren't the site itself, but the user base instead.



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  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Or maybe those of us who are tired of listening to the grumbling about how hard done by they are, are starting to answer back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭monkeybutter




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Xander10




  • Registered Users Posts: 20 luke1313


    If you don't like people grumbling, why do you come to the forum. I think most of us got jabbed enough already. We don't need another booster



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,047 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Indeed and this forum seems to attract quite an array of ill informed people who fail to grasp, unemployment numbers are astonishingly low & that the DSP are incredibly proactive in engaging with those unemployed.

    People also fail to understand there are numerous reasons why someone might be unemployed, such as redundancy & are very quick to judge.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,128 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Yep, you'd swear everyone who's on the dole is a lifelong scrounger reading some of these responses. I've worked since I was 14 but I find myself on jobseekers at the moment. It's not fun and I can guarantee you that pretty much nobody who is used to working wants to be on it. And comments such as "Just find a job in any sector" aren't particularly helpful. As with most things, it's not that simple in reality. I work in an extremely competitive, highly specialised industry. If I leave it, I likely won't get back in. It may come to that, but hopefully not, because I worked my arse off to get to where I am.

    So forgive me if I don't appear to be tugging my forelock sufficiently for drawing down my princely sum of €220 a week for a few months.



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  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No one is asking anyone to tug at their forelock. Quit with the "I'm being victimised" BS.

    This thread is about the cost of living supports that have been provided to social welfare recipients, and those grumbling about them, and I went back and checked.

    There were two extra fuel allowance lump sum payments made in early 2022, there were at least two extra "double weeks" of basic allowances paid in October and November, (not counting the Christmas Bonus) and a number of cash payments ranging from €200 to €500 to some recipients, including another €400 lump sum to all receipients of fuel allowance (including those who already got the previous two payments, the double weeks, and cash grants). This is all before the €600 electricity credits which they also would have got as well. Like I said, money was being thrown at them. So please, spare me the BS that those on social welfare are not being looked after.

    There is a new phrase "earning their poverty" which applies to working people, who have not been given half as much help but yet its assumed they can continue to just plod along and continue to absorb the costs. I read an article just this week about the numbers of working families with two adults at work who are resorting to food banks to feed their kids. What about them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭bigroad


    Most of those payments are for long term unemployed or never employed.

    People ,usually workers who find themselves redundant or recently unemployed will just get the standard 220 euro if their lucky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,047 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    No , a person is classified as long term unemployed from 12 months , in addition there's also a cohort on a part time Jobseekers payment, meaning they are actually in work but on reduced hours or zero hour contracts .

    Worth also pointing out a person has to be on a Jobseekers payment for 12 months, before being eligible certain for additional allowances such as Fuel allowance, I get the impression some folks think DSP just throw money at those on SW

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭hawthorne


    Yes- indeed...Unemployed people get everything for free. That shite talk was already around 50 years ago. I heard it since from nearly every workmate I ever had. And guess what- this bull will be still around in another 50 years time. Some things will never change!

    In the meantime I enjoy another can of Dutch Gold!



  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We're not talking about the last 50 years.

    We're talking about the last year, specifically, during which there have been 3 lump sum fuel allowance payments, 3 double weekly payments (including christmas bonus), various other cash payments, increases in back to school allowances, as well as the €600 electricity credits, and a €12 per week increase in basic allowance from January.

    Its all here - gov.ie - Social protection: Cost of living supports (www.gov.ie)

    Social Welfare recipients certainly got more assistance over the last year then working people did, no matter how you want to deny it.

    Yet despite that, the hand is still out for more and complaining they're not getting enough.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭hawthorne


    QED!

    Relax! You are still alive, aren't you? So you think those folks in need don't deserve anything? As I said- I heard that one for the last 50 years!



  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I never said they don't deserve anything, so put down the can, and don't put words in my mouth.

    What I said was that working people are struggling too "earning their poverty" and are not receiving anywhere near the same level of support or consideration.

    Just because someone has a job, does not mean they are immune from poverty. As I said, look up the numbers of working people going to food banks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,047 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Dear lord did you say your 50 or 5 🤔

    Extraordinary Naive comments, you seem to show an extraordinary lack of understanding on how the real world works and interest in a forum that deals with State Benifits

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭hawthorne


    So you think begrudging those who get some crumbs helps those who get nothing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭hawthorne




  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anyone who starts a post with "so you think..." really has no argument.

    It's not begrudgery to point out that there are plenty of working people who are in need of help and deserve to be helped too.

    But that's not what you want to hear, is it? No interest in their circumstances.

    Because if someone has a job, they must be doing okay, right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭hawthorne


    Nobody said that those people you mention don't need help. But you are clearly just hitting at others who get something. And all because someone asked a question about the spring bonus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    You have to be unemployed for at least 12 months to get all the bonuses!

    Those who never worked basically !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭hawthorne


    LOL!

    How on earth did you come to that conclusion?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭SAMTALK


    Give it to those under 12 months who are unlucky to have lost their job and are looking for another. It's the long term i would have a problem with.

    MOST of those long term unemployed seem to have managed ok for years



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