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Eviction after 50 years

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,836 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    I think that Mr Barrett should be asking the OWNER of the house whether he/she wishes to sell. The house is private property, and if the owner does not wish to sell the house, then that is their business. Barrett and the rest of his "socialist" wastrel comrades are part of what has brought us to the mess that we're in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    If you are looking for sympathy, make sure you make all of the facts available. The state really just consists of the citizens, so I think people have a right to know if you are expecting the state to buy a house for 800k while you pay €30 rent a week for 40 years. It is basically trying to deceive in order to get an advantage. There are a million better things the state could be spending money on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭kaymin


    No-one knows who they are though. We know the personal business of anonymous individuals - what's the issue?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,383 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Hmm, in old money that converts back to £25 so that's a very long time without a rise in rent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Hard to blame the family.

    RBB is a dose. Genuine working people struggling in society who work and have all of the bills that go with living because the work and don't qualify for the Welfare yet he champions the case of these muppets.

    People before profit my hole.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Of course the family wish to remain anonymous cause its an absolute joke what they are looking for. They gave up their right when they have RBB on a soapbox whinging for them and asking for the house to be purchased. There is always another side to these stories, remember Margaret Kelly with the 7 kids, people will look for others to pay their way for them and take no responsibility whatsoever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,217 ✭✭✭Xander10


    And the taxpayers picks up the tab. Maybe the taxpayers have a right to be informed, especially those struggling with 30 year mortgages and commuting far from where they grew up.

    Is this deal going to be on the table for everyone?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Similar to the poor elderly couple in Killiney being evicted from their 2m house. They didn't mention that they had 30 rental properties. RBB went quiet after that came out.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Because renting is a 6 year cycle in Ireland, every six years or earlier there is a possibility you will be evicted if the Landlord decides to do something else with the property. There appears to be a lot of people that think a rental property is theirs indefinitely and eviction notices come as a big surprise, then its off to the papers to see if they can invoke some public outrage. While renting might be a permanent solution for some its foolish to think that the rental property is permanently yours.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Bit rich looking for the state to buy the house for them if they already own a house. They’ve been paying less than many in social housing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,536 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    ...



  • Registered Users Posts: 267 ✭✭Dslatt


    Anyone defending these whinging yahoos needs a serious dose of cop on. RBB is and always has been a clown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    Have we touched a sensitive nerve there heidiHeidi??

    Is it you under this story? Why are you so defensive?

    These wasters went with a sob story out after not paying rent or mortgage for 50 years.

    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    The family are using public platforms to try and influence a favorable outcome so yes people are entitled to look for all of the details before making up their minds.

    RBB clearly states that they are over thresholds for assistance so it's hard to know what they actually expect from this.

    It's downright distasteful if they own another property yet they are on looking for state intervention in this. RBB should clarify all of the details and background before acting the maggot. It's also very wrong that they have dragged this on for so long and left a landlord high and dry if they had another property to move too.

    Don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    If the family were offered the property on a new lease of the going market rent. Lets call it 2k per month. Would they be happy enough accepting it and staying where they are. Or is it just the free house they are interested in really.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭bmc58


    On the soap box a bit yourself I think.How can you assume what they spent their disposable income on?The two examples you have picked are way over the top.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Problem is its in an RPZ so they wouldn't be allowed bring it to 2k (if previous posts about weekly payment are correct). They have also had 2 years notice, they could have looked for somewhere else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,970 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    If the 30 quid a week figure being quoted is true, then what the actual fcuk have they been spending the rest of their money on for the past several decades? I pay multiples of that to live at home with my parents!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,167 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    It's not true. Just a stirrer. Look at their other posts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,552 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    maybe it isnt but if the rent has been fixed since the 80s then it probably isn't far off.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,179 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Peppercorn in todays money.

    The family have known for the past 50 years this day would come- they have done nothing to mitigate or eliminate the impact. I’m sorry but I have zero pity here. They should have reached out to support services years ago if they didn’t qualify for a mortgage for whatever reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 630 ✭✭✭jimmyendless


    Where does it say they own a house?

    Loving all the empathy in this thread since we know nothing about their personal circumstances outside of cheap rent.

    Rental market is in bits all over to different degrees. Good luck living anywhere.

    I think they should be homeless anyway. Am I doing this right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    No, you aren't doing it right. The correct response is : "They should be glad of the peppercorn 1980's rent for the last 40 years and seeing as they are over the threshold for social housing and HAP, look to privately rent somewhere else."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    while i agree with the start of your point, i disagree that older-style council estates are a good idea - these generally lead to 'ghettos'. having a certain percentage of private developments held for state-funded accommodation is fine if: A - designed well and B - tenants are required to maintain the property to a certain standard. the problem is there is a large number (majority even) who take advantage of the current system and make it unattractive for others to live in close proximity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I rented in Limerick in 1983 and rent of a standard 3 bed was 200 pounds per month. The rent in thistle house were last set back in 1980. I expect it's less than this.

    Did someone say her husband was an electrician with the ESB. So for the last 40 years they rented and never made any attempt to get a house for themselves

    Now they wish the state to provide for them ahead of ten of thousands of other in similar situation who have not got the benefit of cheap rent for at least half of that 40+years

    Another poor old me sob story

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    It has nothing to do with empathy.

    It's about future planning. They've been renting for 50 years ....what did they think was going to happen when the landlord died? It's not like the landlord was in their 40's and the death was sudden!

    I honestly don't know how people can wander around seemingly clueless in life and when it gets tough they expect someone else to bail them out.

    Part of the reason the rental sector is in bits is because of tenants like these overholding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,659 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    How can they be renting for 50 years and only in their 50s themselves ? did they inheret the tenancy?

    Long term renting in the leafery parts of Dublibn was the not uncommon, and then you had the likes of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Artisans%27_Dwellings_Company,

    I bet there are still people renting in paces like stoneybatter who have inherited tennances or who are renting 50/60 years on a low rent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    Her mother was the original tenant. She never moved out. The hubby moved in.....sure why wouldn't he on bargain rent!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,149 ✭✭✭amacca


    Yep...the clue is in the name....its called renting...not buying...and some people think renting equates squatting afaics



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭Get Real


    Baffling. I don't necessarily have any issue with the mother who originally rented the house in 1958 and came to an agreement with the landlord in the 80s. That's their business.

    How on earth the children assumed they could also live in the house then for life I don't know. You're 55 years old. You could have looked at buying a house in the late 90s.

    If buying wasn't an option for you fair enough. But surely around age 30 you'd start sussing options or rental opportunities for your future

    You've had at least a quarter of a century to make plans for a scenario that was inevitably going to happen.

    And now you want the govt to buy the house and rent it back to you. No personal responsibility whatsoever.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,147 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Is there a Gofundme yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Any ESB electrician by the time he is 55 is earning 80-100k a year unless he is a lazy hoor

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    While I think RBB may have questions to answer in this case I don't understand how he is responsible for the mess we are in.

    He and his comrades never got as much as a sniff of power and probably never will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,730 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Barrett and his champagne socialist crew would rob the shirt off yer back for populism. They don’t give two hoots about the other side, landlords/homeowners!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,318 ✭✭✭Deeec


    The bottom line is that if you rent a house IT IS NEVER YOURS. You can be given notice at anytime. We keep hearing from tenants ' that its their home' - but its not their home, its only their home while the landlord wants them to live there. It baffles me when tenants start moaning when they are given notice to leave - ITS NOT YOUR HOUSE. Sadly the government are given in too much to tenants ( because it suits them) and the result is landlords are selling up. Renting does not mean housing security - this fact needs to be understood by tenants!

    This couple 50 years renting at a low rent and are shocked now that landlord is selling up - Im sorry thats just life and you have to move on. RBB needs to cop on and stop defending or trying to help people like this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    There would be many far more deserving urgent cases for social housing on the waiting lists, who could be rehoused for the large amount required to purchase this property.

    This family are not an urgent case for social housing, they don't even qualify for such schemes, as their income & one would assume, life savings & property are way over the threshold required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    Well thats the root of all our property problems in Ireland now. Rent controls. Caused the whole mess. See in London now they are screaming for rent controls, but some people are holding Ireland up as the poster child for what rent controls actually do to the market. Make things gloriously better for a very few people and make the rest of the populations life a total nightmare. And with noone willing to admit they are wrong and undo their mistakes they pile on more mistakes on top making it worse all the time til you hit a situation where there is just no recovering, like we have in Ireland now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 shangobango


    Not stirring. They're all facts. I promise you that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,147 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Had the fella been sensible he could have offered to buy the place, and taken out a mortgage years ago, probably at the same time that he took over the tenancy. He could have probably bought the place for a song, as it seems that the original owner was the opposite of greedy, in that they weren't charging too much rent. Had he bought the place, his mortgage would probably have been paid off by now, and he and his family would have been sitting pretty.

    He would have been in the same comfortable position had he ignored the tenancy and bought his own property, instead of thinking he was onto a winner and set to pay a pittance in rent for the rest of his life.

    I think he's a victim of his own bad decisions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Legislating to deny people the freedom to do what they feel is best for them with their own property is a worrying trend. Where does it stop?

    The govt. have screwed over the smaller landlord to make up for their own failures in housing.

    This family have to go. The fact they dont qualify for HAP of welfare hosuing supports speaks volumes. However i do have sympathy. If it were Mags cash and the brood they would be housed for free. They obviously work and are penalised for that.

    Its a strange case really. In my view they are wrong but i do feel huge sympathy given they are obviously contributors to the tax base.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭howiya


    Why the focus on the fella? Did they not make these decisions as a couple? I agree that they made bad decisions. Essentially they rolled the dice and hoped this day wouldn't come.

    Obviously its not the current owners intention as there is an eviction here but this is a prime example of why sales with tenants in situ wouldn't work out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    The majority of private renters are contributors to the tax base.

    Renting privately is a temporary measure, it's not a house for life. A landlord can choose or at least should be able to choose when they want to sell. This overholding lark needs to stop.....I can't test drive a car and say actually this is now mine, I refuse to return it, or go to a hotel and refuse to leave the room.....why are people allowed to stay in houses not belonging to them?

    House prices in the 90's when this couple would have been in their 20's were reasonable enough (obviously they may not have been together then) however the crash came in what 2008/9 anyone with abit of savings behind them could have bought a decent house for a reasonable price. They would have been in their 30/40's. Many couples alot younger than them managed it!

    If anyone in this story has my sympathy it's the landlord...they seemed to be a decent skin and kept the rent low ...tbh I actually feel queasy for the want of the better word as I think this landlord was majorly taken advantage of, probably too old to manage their affairs right. That's another days thread I suppose!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,147 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec



    Perhaps I should have generalised it a bit, given the obsession that people seem to have with gender, and which one's responsible for what, these days. 😁

    I don't see why it's a prime example on that score, unless I'm getting the wrong end of the stick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Doesn't seem that these particular renters need much sympathy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭howiya


    Any new landlord would be stuck with the low rent under RPZ rules which would completely devalue the property if the tenants were to remain in situ as part of a sale.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,343 ✭✭✭arctictree


    Seems the daughter just stayed in the house and continued to pay the rent. I know a number of people in this situation. Usually, its the youngest or most dependent child. This can go on for generations in council houses. Obviously with private property, this day will eventually come. But the type who stays in the house is generally the type that ignores reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    Here am I paying 1600 a month mortgage, feel bad for them but they are paying more for their takeaways than for their house, they should have massive savings built up. If they didn't they should the state bail out people to stupid to plan ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,733 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Random personal details not in the public domain are not required here (even if they were in the public domain, they don't add anything useful)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    I rented in the late 80's in Windsor drive Blackrock. (Stradbrook road) The rent was £300 for a 3 bed semi.

    So they even got a good deal back then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,836 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    I meant rather that the ideologies that he espouses have made and continue to make neoliberal agendas possible here.



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