Unhappy with owning an EV in Ireland

The car cost me 18k at the time, something the same price would require a charge, same journey using overall consumption figures in my present 18000 euro car is 9 euro, I believe you are fairly good at maths, maybe you can compare the cost of your car/consumption figures with mine.

The new outlander has twice the battery size 20 kWh, not enough to do it in one go, but I could take a whizz or burger break, I heard they are great. a quick look on Ecars suggests its possible with chademo, I am not going to find out.

I really don't know.

Is it relevant? Anybody with a dedicated apartment or on street parking space can't just get a charger.

We have electric, petrol and diesel here.

I'm not at all unhappy with all the juice that comes from the PV into the batteries. Hopefully an abundance for the summer.

I'm just not buying the whole EV project.

Grand if you have a driveway, brilliant if you have PV but after that it seems a bit of a crazy roll of the dice to force on everybody else.

I don't buy any of the better for the planet nonsense either. I hate people talking about zero emission vehicles.

I alternate between manual and automatic vehicles and don't really get too excited about either

I suppose my attitude is they are great if you have one but at the same time think a lot of it is all a load of bollox.

It was one trip, I do on occasions more than 400km, a hairdresser's car is not practical.

If I was going Ev, something like a 77 I'd 4, or a model s 100, or a model y long range if there was some sort of instrument cluster add on . I cannot pass the bland barren look of it.

So you can't buy second hand ice cars from 2035?

I was referring to the % of EV drivers, with a driveway, is something like 93%, clearly, take-up of EV's is by and large to people with home charging.

The low hanging fruit so to speak. It's penetrating the next phase that the fun will really begin.

EV and driveway is a no brainer.

'EV and driveway is a no brainer'.

You are also forgetting the driveways in older houses. Those may need substantial upgrade or at worst a full rewire before installing a home charger.

This potentially adds to the cost by 10k plus and there is no grant for same.

Therefore that next phase is an even bigger challenge than you have outlined.

We are in the low hanging fruit phase.

It's penetrating the next market segment that's the real challenge.

Sorry, don't understand your post. There is a cohort of people out there who live in houses who will need some form of upgrade before installing a charger. This might be relatively cheap, or could be quite costly. This may preclude them from home charging. How is it not a challenge for them personally if they want an EV and wish to charge at home?

At a very basic level, an outdoor socket can be installed for very little money, or DIY for less. Charging at 2kW per hour is not as good as charging at 3kW for those with a 16A charger, or at 7kW for kost with a 32A charger, but it's more than enough for the majority of people if they don't want to install a more expensive charger or there is a need to upgrade wiring.

I have an outdoor socket which we use mostly to charge the Leaf because it is convenient for us. The M3 charges at the 7kW charger, but I could use the granny charger and get more than enough night rate electricity to cover my 70km commute. I did this for the first couple of weeks while waiting for the new charge point. Both cars were charger from 2 outdoor sockets regularly.

Additionally, if you're doing the average of 12000km a year, you could manage with one charge a week. Not an issue anymore, there are further options beside 24kWh leafs these days.

I had a couple of weeks there where I went 12 days without charging the car, simply because I was only doing local driving. My usual weeks involve a couple of wexford-dublin-wexford trips.