Charging Battery at night rate

Yes we all do. Night rate for me is 7.9c / kWh and day rate is 28c / kWh, so I load up my 30kWh battery fully at night. I use virtually no peak rate electricity during any time of the year. I use the battery also to partially heat my house with electricity during the day because it is cheaper and cleaner than using gas

The night rate hours are 11PM to 8AM in winter and 12PM to 9AM in summer

30kWh 😉

Will be 45kWh before the end of next month

@alan kelly - "I have a Pure Drive and need to figure out the steps"

You set it in your inverter typically. What hybrid inverter do you have? If it's a Solis or a Sofar ME3000SP, they have their own dedicated threads in this forum. Have a look there first.

Yes, 40kWh in CALB 200Ah cells is a bit over €5k. Not an awful lot more than some people pay for fancy looking pre-made 5kWh batteries 😁

The 5kWh on top is a little bonus / backup. Don't need it. And as for the "do I really need 40kWh?"

Well no, not strictly. But we are getting these batteries free of VAT at a good price, so they will keep their value very well. So basically even if you use them for a year or two, there will be no depreciation, so no costs really. And the batteries will start earning their keep immediately. I try and heat as much of my home with electricity in winter. From night rate directly and from battery later in the day. And I have a very large solar PV setup, so in summer the buffer of 40kWh will keep my going without buying any electricity from the grid, even if we have a couple of rainy days in a row

And as an example, if I fully load 40kWh into the battery in winter, I save 40 * (day rate minus night rate) = 40 * (0.28 - 0.08) = €8. Now there are losses going in and out and some of it I use for heating, which I could have done with gas costing €0.15 per kWh. And if I go over a 2000 unit threshold, I pay more for my night rate. But a saving of €3 at least per day, which is €180 for each billing period. Let's say €1000 per year, meaning after 5 years the batteries, still worth at least half of what I paid for them by then, will have fully paid for themselves

So you see the question is not really do I need it, but how much money are they returning for me

I,d. Love to know what energy supplier is giving you those rates?

Still the best deal out there though

Changed a little.

It is actually 47.77 after VAT :-)

Aye, but there is a penalty to be paid if you go over 2000 night rate units per billing period. You seem to have avoided that, which quite surprises me with a big house, two EVs and loading up a 20kWh battery every night.

Yes but even the penalty rate isnt so bad, 15c or so. I'm not actively trying to avoid it anyway, especially since you only pay it on the units from 2,001 onwards and the first 2000 kWh remains at the 7c rate.

98%

Most of us with a 20kWh or bigger battery can do that or thereabouts, almost without doing any micromanagement. Particularly if we have an inverter that can charge / discharge at at least 5kW

Unless we make a few mistakes like plugging in the car during the day, or we have battery outages because of maintenance, and stuff like that 😁

Hi all.

I have been getting some installation quotes and both so far have been very hesitant to recommend batteries. Part of my reasoning for getting solar installed was the added bonus of getting a battery and switching to a day/night tariff for load shifting. I'm not sure what my question is here but I guess I'm looking for advice on whether to pursue installing a battery?

As a side note I have a smart meter so think I cant get the best day/night tariffs but the smart meter day/night tariffs are still cheaper. Would love advice on this as well :)

Thanks team!

Adding to @unkel, if getting a battery rules out solar due to cost, then get solar without a battery. Decision made. If you have / get an EV and it's in the drive during the day it will charge for free for parts of the year. So again, another reason not to need a battery. I've no battery and solar is amazinggggggg

I'm only self consuming 50% of what I generate (average over 6 months it's live) but I will get paid FIT for the remainder. And in time I'll likely be able to get the self consumption higher.

Once you move off a 24hr tariff, you can load shift a lot of the stuff in the house anyway without a battery. Timers on dishwasher, washing machine...10 quid smart plugs will do that on many devices even if they don't have timers

I found on the Electric Ireland site the rate is 21c per kwh. They are also saying the 'generous' payment will be around 150 euro per year! Or am I misinterpreting this?

I did the sums a few pages back on the PV FIT Tariff thread... Based on my last year numbers I could save 300 a year using battery to convert day rate into night rate during winter months...if I expanded my existing battery. I feel like im chasing small money with a big investment on battery at today's peak prices.

If the gov gives another cost of living grant I might end up with another zero cost year again...without upgrading. You really need a years data though to work out your own scenarios...

Just wondering if anyone has had this issue with Energia....

I Have 2 x 5kw batteries on my PV system, charge both at night at night rate and discharge into the house during daytime rates.

However..... the last 2 monthly bill looks like Energia haven't allowed in my bill for the battery discharging during the day, so in essence seem yo have double charged me.

We've Always used approx 1200 units x day rate over 2 month winter period.

And 1000 units x night rate BEFORE BATTERY install AND 1800 units when battery night charged. Therefore I'd expected my date rate useage to be reduced by 800 units approx.

However after contacting Energia they commented that the meter might not be recognising the battery discharge during the day, hence the reason for no reduction in my daytime unit useage.

Is this scenario even possible?? Any comments appreciated.

I have a 5 kwh battery and last two months discharged 170 per month average. Dont forget it will also fill again and discharge again... the solis will count sun and battery together it of you have one as generation.

If you have a solis, the energy imported number should match the Energia number.

Even with a 10kWh battery getting similar results but lower overall usage. for dec/jan from bill I only used 22 day (expect xmas dinner used a few of those) and 1203 night. Thats also including charging EV. And only have a 4.65kWp SE/SW system with shading issues in winter!

Is it possible you are discharging the battery into the grid? I'm not sure if you set it to discharge on the inverter, but others will know for sure. Have you the battery set to discharge on the same screen as you set it to charge off the night rate? If so I think that just dumps it to the grid. Have a look at this video. https://www.google.com/search?q=charging+solar+battery+on+solis+on+night+rate+youtube&client=opera&hs=MpI&ei=mZf3Y7jEJvXA8gKclLT4Cg&oq=charging+solar+battery+on+solis+night+rate+youtube&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQARgAMggIIRCgARDDBDIICCEQoAEQwwQ6CggAEEcQ1gQQsAM6BQgAEKIEOgoIABDxBBAeEKIEOgcIABAeEKIEOgoIIRCgARDDBBAKSgQIQRgAUPYKWIYZYLYyaAFwAXgAgAHEAYgB3geSAQMwLjaYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:3d043981,vid:qCtriOPoS_Y

I should have stated previously - Have the smart meter - so all readings are ACTUAL readings, no estimates - good battery storage capacity 2 x 5KW.

I used the Web portal last night to update my charge settings. I only dropped the AMPs so I would have a mostly empty battery this morning. Filled it then from the sun. The mobile app does not work for me to chnage that setting - but im ok with that.

Agree with @slave1 double and triple check you arent enabling discharge times... should be set to 00:00 or u will waste all the cheap night rate back to grid!

Here is what it looks like on mine from the web portal: