Picard 3x02- 'Disengage' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** }

It was kind of cool, that no words where need between Picard and Beverley.

Raffis didn't have a loyalty with drugs test. The Ferengi was just fuking with her. Her storyline and her jittery self loathing thing are a huge drag on the show. Just wanted to fast forward to Picard again the whole time.

The Picard side of the episode was very good and Shaw is dead right. His no.1 fuked him over Picard and Riker tricked him into a dangerous situation and now it's likely many of his crew will die to save these 2 celebrities which is exactly why he hates them in the first place.

These writers for some reason love a shock reveal but they are absolutely terrible at them. Jack and his hereditary accent and Word were obvious a mile off.

The music over Worfs exit pure magic.

2 in and fingers crossed it stays at this tempo. You can so tell than Frakes is enjoying every minute of it.

Thoroughly enjoyed that again apart from the Raffi bits - really takes me out of the show, too much like Burnham

This season will need a second viewing at least when finished at this rate

Just looked at the trailer for the next episode and looks like no damage to the ship bar a little black spot

That’s something Frakes mentioned in a recent interview I watched. Comparing the process and experience of making Trek now compared to TNG days, one thing he said was they used to be so strict about the rhythm of speech and the words being used. Correct (or at least particular) pronunciations. Very few contractions. They’d do take after take to get it right.

As an actor he seemed to be saying “thank god that’s not so strict anymore” but also acknowledged, I thought, that it added something at the time.

Edit: this interview : https://youtu.be/JBArxEqL3RU

We have seen her eeevvvvviiillll ship a few times before and we have had three evil panto woman in the last few seasons of Discovery.

Just like Daddy

Yeah, Shaw comes across as much more involved now but he's still abrasive which is fine. The Raffi stuff does drag but hopefully they plots will intersect soon. What are the odds that it's Jaques Crusher?

If there's anything to be said for this season they're not blowing their load too soon. Worf just came in and there's Geordi, Troi, Lore, and Moriarty to come.

It hasn't annoyed me yet, eight episodes to succeed though, and I do want to see where it's going.

SNW being a hit must've finally got through to the powers that be that maybe a Star Trek series should be Star Trek.

Quite enjoyed that one in fairness. Some of the writing or scene development is still really poor - but at least what they're writing about is actually fun this time. (I refuse to believe that having set up the transporter inhibiters a minute before, and then seeing them actively stop a transport a second later, that Picard et al would've forgotten about them when the Titan was trying to beam them over. They just force these moments of faux-drama in everywhere they can, totally needlessly. Would've worked better if as soon as they say they're gonna bring them aboard, Picard gives a 'on my mark', quickly shoots the inhibiters out as a cool little quick thinking heroic-looking moment, and they're beamed over.)

Raffi is still a bit of a struggle - and I reaaallly hope there isn't going to be some massively coincidental connection between the two stories, but I expect there will be, once again limiting this universe to around 7 people.

Thoroughly enjoying Shaw. Bit gutted that it really does look like Jack is Picard's son (and honestly it paints Beverly in an absolutely horrible light if he is, and she never told Picard about him) - though I'm still harbouring hope that Picard knows it's actually his old buddy's clone and he was bluffing to give a good quick reason to not send him away, with cloning being a harder sell in the moment.

RLM's way of describing it as a ST:TNG movie in serial form has made me more accepting of the over-hammed campyness of the baddies etc. It feels much more like the movies than the show, so thinking of it that way resets my expectations.

Wasn't gone on that really. Eeevil Perry is just so "Standard bad guy". Literally giggling with overconfidence. Knowing everything about everyone. There will be a monolog scene with her where she quotes something and she will go down, initially quoting something else before yelling "Nooooooooo" as her ship explodes around her. Her stupidity eeevil looking ship with a stupidity eeevil name.

Beverly walking in at the end and her and Picard looking at each other for about what seemed to be 5 mins.

The fact that sucking a whole large building into a hole and then dumping it into another section of a city cause 170 deaths. Surely this should have been in the thousands. This is not a bloodlust but its almost a case of "How high can we make the stakes? But TREK degree of peril. 5000? Too high. 50? Too low. 177? Perfect"

Raffi being brought straight in to meet the ferengi: "No random tweakers" "I wanna see him" "Oh. OK"

And the handler reveal. Yeah. Totally predictable (assuming intentional though I suppose. You knew who it was from the conversations. Especially the first one).

Again Riker/Frakes the best thing in it. "Are you SERIOUS, Jean-Luc?"

Another good showing. I’m holding out some hope that quality stays up but we were here last season too and got burned. If we get to Episode 5 and still enjoying, then my hope will be restored.

I kind of like Riker pointing out the whole: «Jean-Luc, Jack is clearly your kid, why are we ignoring this?» It contasts one of my few complaints of the episode that they’re slow walking to a pretty obvious reveal. If he really is Picard’s kid, questions of how/when come to mind. Crusher’s absense in TNG Season 2 would be a «neat» way to explain a pregancy, her absence from Ent D, and how Picard didn’t know about him. It would explain why a TNG comm badge was used to send a message to him, since the last time they worked together he was using a Generations/Late-TNG Era Comm-badge. However, this doesn’t yet explain why Crusher fecks off sometime after Enterprise E. She might have got pregnant at that stage too, but it might have been a bit late for her (unless Trek fertility medicine is also highly advanced).

If she had Jack in Season 2 TNG, it brings up a few questions:

• Did Crusher really not want Picard to know? If so, why? They’ve at least been very good friends throughout TNG. He’s been a reluctant father figure occasionally in TNG, but he’s pulled it off in his own way, certainly enough to take care of his own kid.
• Who took care of Jack all of those years she was on the Enterprise? Family on Earth?
• Did Wesley ever know? (I am getting a kick out of having a Crusher kid on this show, and it not being him)

I did like the villain, she(?) seemed suitably menacing. Not Khan-quality at all, but I’m in.

Alas, the low-light were the Raffi segments. It took a degree of self control not to fast forward over those parts. It’s just so slow and depressing to see her all sad about her family and drugs etc. I have a hard time buying into her outrage of 100+ people getting killed at that Starfleet station. Feels like they should have upped the stakes. 100 people is barely 1/2 a lost starship, and unless she had a personal stake with some of the lost people, I don’t buy her sudden crusade to avenge them. I did however like how we got an actual Ferengi here, and a pretty clever one too. Also, a bit of Worf with his fancy new-style Mekleth was a highlight. Here’s hoping the Raffi segments get upgraded to Worf-segments (featuring Raffi). Maybe they will be the ones who bring Geordie into the story?

Maybe young Jack is a consequence of The Naked Now 😄. Although that happened very early in season one for it to be the reason Crusher was absent in two.

and maybe not an episode worth drawing much attention to anyway 😄

Jaques Crusher is only 20ish, yes the actor is in his mid thirties. Her being pregnant is probably the reason she cut contact over 20 years ago.

The year season 3 takes place in is a little fuzzy but if we take the writers' 2401 that makes Beverly 77. A pregnancy in your 50s isn't common but it is possible now even without IVF.

The increase in the Human lifespan in the 24th century is something that's really inconsistently portrayed. You can have the 137 year old Admiral McCoy in Encounter at Farpoint, who did look it to be fair, but then you have Joseph Sisko who's falling apart in Homefront at the ripe old age of 63.

Not really, full impulse is only about .25c (according to technical manuals) which has almost no relativistic effect especially for the amount of time they travel under impulse and that would make the crews on starships younger than their stated ages.

You could go to about .85c and still only slow time down by about half so even doing that in short bursts wouldn't have too much of an effect.

You'd have to spend years at significant impulse speeds to have any real noticeable discrepancy and it's never come up as an issue so I think it's safe to say it isn't one.

This! The free TNG episodes where an admiral took the ship under their own command caused havoc and as viewers we were left in no uncertain terms that they were the bad guys. Jelico is maybe the exception as he had a specific job to do. I really can’t get away from the fact that Riker and epicardium are tge assholes now with 7 pitching in as well. Now a soft mission has turned into a much nite dangerous affair and the captain isn’t putting the breaks in it as he should. 7 should be in the brig and Picard and Riker left to fend for themselves.

The major mistake Jellico made was running the crew ragged in the days leading up to what he was expecting to be an open war.

What us this epicardium l? You are all talking about.

What do you mean? My first time coming across that word.

From context it's a phone/tablet keyboard typo being autocorrected weirdly.