LGFA welcome Transgender players.

Or maybe looked over the hedge at the Irfu

Well done to the LGFA. It is great to see an inclusive an open-minded organisation when so many are still so small minded.

The same people saying this is bad are probably the ones that were happy when there was no Women playing Golf or Rugby etc.

It's not like there is going to be a huge influence and they do have a voting procedure for who can and can not join.

So is your sister a child and if not wtf has that to do with his duty as a parent to his child?

Other than to get a passive aggressive"controlling" dig in?

That's the only thing worth taking from it tbh. I mean, it's hard to take anything he said that seriously when about five posts previously he has posted an article from an actually women GAA who encouraged transwomen to get involved in the sport.

As I have said many times, if this is such a massive health and safety issue for women in the LGFA they will make it known very very quickly, and they will all leave the LGFA due to those concerns.

What does the science say.

"Transgender women in the female category of sport: perspectives on testosterone suppression and performance advantage

Emma N Hilton, Tommy R Lundberg

Sports Medicine 51, 199-214, 2021"

"Accordingly, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) determined criteria by which a transgender woman may be eligible to compete in the female category, requiring total serum testosterone levels to be suppressed below 10 nmol/L for at least 12 months prior to and during competition. Whether this regulation removes the male performance advantage has not been scrutinized"

"We report that the performance gap between males and females becomes significant at puberty and often amounts to 10–50% depending on sport. The performance gap is more pronounced in sporting activities relying on muscle mass and explosive strength, particularly in the upper body. Longitudinal studies examining the effects of testosterone suppression on muscle mass and strength in transgender women consistently show very modest changes, where the loss of lean body mass, muscle area and strength typically amounts to approximately 5% after 12 months of treatment. Thus, the muscular advantage enjoyed by transgender women is only minimally reduced when testosterone is suppressed. Sports organizations should consider this evidence when reassessing current policies regarding participation of transgender women in the female category of sport."

The 10nm/L comes from the IOC with little scientific backing, much like the treatment in the Tavistock which was shut down with the lack of peer reviewed science backing medical interventions.

Once the adults in the room speak up postmodern horsesh1te tends to be seen for what it is.

The findings of the study would be obvious to anyone whoever played field sports and had any involvement with women's sports.

The 10nm in twice the new IAAF level of 5nm FOR A NON CONTACT SPORT

https://worldathletics.org/news/press-release/eligibility-regulations-for-female-classifica

Anyone got a link to the science used by LGFA coming to their decision? It'll be an easy case for some personal injury lawyer...

UK study of 15 sports included

"Relevant considerations not addressed in most policies included pre- versus post-pubertal athletes, justification for testosterone thresholds, the length of time out of competitive action (if any) for transitioning athletes, the irreversible advantage from male puberty (if any), the responsibility for and frequency of follow up for hormonal testing and the consequences for athletes outside set testosterone limits.".

Australian study of 11 sports

"This review presents a summary of recent biological, sport science, and endocrine research on performance and physical changes in transitioning transgender adults. Although such research is in its infancy, findings point to ongoing superiority of TW's performance and innate biological advantages compared to cis women, despite lowered testosterone with hormone suppression therapy. We assert that sports bodies should pay greater heed to the biological facts and continue to seek research to support participation policies. In the meantime, we argue that the current transgender participation guidelines be withdrawn, and that sports organizations explore other fairer solutions to facilitate inclusive participation for trans athletes."

See what happens when fluffy post modern theory runs into the real world of hard science.

That took all of 10 mins on Google scholar, looking forward to the comprehensive studies on which the LGFA based this decision.

And how many men here who fall in that category?

I think you're reading that wrong,

Probably means along the lines of coaching / line pitches/hang nets etc...

Possibly, but in the the part they directly quoted she clearly states "levels". The use of the term "in other capacities" was used by the newspaper themselves, not Danielle. Now the term levels nearly always means age or grades in a sports context.

So when someone says "involved in all other levels" I take that to mean, other age levels.

As a general rule of thumb I have no issues with men being involved in any area or level of the the LGFA. However, their general attitude, behaviour and conduct will impact on how positive or negative their involvement is.

I'll clarify my position just so we are clear, I don't think a man should have the authority to tell women what she can and can't do with her body. I respect a women's right to bodily automny and I respect their right to make a decision on what is best for their own health and safety. The LGFA made the decision to allow transgirls and women participate in the sport, I am not going to tell women that it's now unsafe for them to play LGFA, that's there decision to make and its up to women yo make a determination about their own health and safety. You seem to think differently though.

But as you have said, youbsre involved in ladies football so you do have the inside scope. A few questions for you,

I assume you are now stepping away from all your coaching duties and involvement with the LGFA? Also, what % of ladies have declared they'll now be stepping away from the sport due to this trans policy? I guessing it must be around 90% going by your posts.

The first line of the piece isn't a quote. It's the interpretation the writer of the article has made. When the player referred to parents as well led me to think. But as I said, I could eb wrong. But I'm sure we can both agree that the GAA being an inclusive organisation is fairly comical.

There are allowing the ladies to make a decision o their own health and safety though. No one is forcing them to continue playing, if they deem the health and safety risk to be too significant they can take up another sport. Other alternatives could be not playing in a match against a team with a trans person etc.

Wiki puts the numbers play camogie worldwide at 100,000.

The LGFA had nearly 200,000 members by 2020.

I can't, I wasn't part of the decision making process for those organisations.

But, I can provide some information on what I woud deem relevant or important when deciding a sporting organisations transpolicy.

What are the sporting objectives of the organisation? Are they trying to produce elite athletes to compete, and win, at an international level? Do most mainly participate for social, health benefits etc?Is there a professional arm of the sport? Is there a pathway to significant financial gain to be had? How many trans people are likely be participate in the sport? What is the level of physical contact involved in the sport? Full contact? how important is the concept of being inclusive to the organisation? Do we want tranphobes in the organisation(coaches, volunteers, other parents etc)? Do we want peolle who are prejudice against trans people etc?

At the end of the day, every organisation will place a different priority on all of the above and sufficient research and knowledge will also play a big part of deciding what the most appropriate trans policy is.

Men aren't allowed to have an opinion on men playing women's sport.

2023.

Did you actually read the article?. She said she isn't in favour of the ruling and it could cause long term damage to the LGFA.

I know there girls. But they can still make a determination on their own health and safety or else their parent(s) will. Either way, they won't be forced into playing LGFA against there will.

And fair play to Dainelle for doing a survey of the nearly 200k members herself finding that they all feel a level of unease. Trojan work on her part.

Do we want Transphobes in organisation........what bull ......so anyone who thinks a man is a man no matter what dress or lipstick they put on are being made feel there wrong ......... Wear a dress , lipstick , high heels, call yourself whatever but don't expect us normal people to leave a man into a teen girls changing room

Isn’t it funny how you have to twist the scenario and make it sound like old men will be playing with teenage girls?

Have the age band rules changed?

Funny how @davidx40 didnt mention adult level. I guess teen girls changing rooms has much more “riling up” impact.