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The youth of today - late teens - 20 somethings - strange accents?

  • 23-02-2023 11:10pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,945 ✭✭✭


    I live in Cork City - something I have noticed - that the youth around me - ages mentioned in the title - have non Cork accents.. but they seem to be from Cork/Irish - but they have these foreign sounding accents - not quite American - but neutral - in a refined way.. anyone else noticed this? And if so, why is this? the influence of media? I am a bit of a dino so out of sync with the aforementioned youth of today.. but just my observations from certain social settings..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Oberkon


    The youth of today has got lots to say

    It's our life, it's our future

    Because we're living today

    So don't blame the youth

    What do you say



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,945 ✭✭✭sporina


    who mentioned "blame"?!

    just curious about their accents..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,549 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Youtube, TicToc etc., they grow up in front a screen listening to American 'influencers' and 'content creators'. Then there's what they're watching on TV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭ThePentagon


    My eight year old nephew speaks with what is essentially an American accent. Nothing discernibly Irish about it. From watching so much YouTube I would guess.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw


    Youtube accent my two daughters grew out of it in their early teens!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,420 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    "foreign sounding accents - not quite American - but neutral - in a refined way.."

    I have no idea what a Cork person speaking like that would sound like. If it comes from TV and YouTube, it must be happening in Donegal and Dublin as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    Another vote for the youtube influence, its a bit like the fake D4 accent UCD students adopt, most will grow out of it in time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,945 ✭✭✭sporina


    i am in Cork - so I can't speak for the rest of the country..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,420 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It must be difficult to speak with a fake accent. I am not in UCD so I have to take people at their word that the students are all speaking with fake accents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,692 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    reminded me of this


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,221 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    My sister has an American twang, we put it down to watching a lot of Nickelodeon as a child.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,797 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Accents are a constantly evolving thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,822 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    American accent's in Irish children is becoming huge, All YouTube kids, who's parents let them spend hours upon hours watching there tablets,

    A very strange one is nearly every black youth in Ireland has a London accent, from Dublin all the way to Cork you'll find groups of black teenagers with London accents ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 34 DirectorKrennic


    I find this post is very timely to be honest!

    I was in the office in Dublin yesterday (I work for a company with hundreds of employees, on the larger side/scale). Anyway, I walked into the canteen with 3/4 of my colleagues and there were about 15/20 students being shown around the place. I said to my colleagues 'Oh, they must have a group of students or interns over from America' and then one of my mates said 'No, they're all Irish!' my response was literally 'What the ... f*?' In other words, a group of Irish students with full on American accents. My best guess is that most shows now on Netflix and videos on YouTube/Tik Tok have a lot of American people on them/actors. It is something I've noticed too. Anyway people's accents are their own business I guess. I lived abroad for a few years and at a Christmas party in 2017 (I thought this was very rude) a lady about my age was like 'Why do you talk like that?' - in other words, why do you have an Irish accent? Then when I moved back a few times in 2018 and a bit last year sometimes people would be like to me 'Where in America are you from?' - My accent has gone back to being pretty Irish cause I work with a lot of Dubs. I think there has been a rise of the 'neutral' accent and then the Irish accent with a bit of an American twang. Apparently I say 'time' in an Aussie accent too - very weird.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,129 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    It'll never be as bad as the accent that sprang up in the London area where they sound like they're just off the ship from Jamaica, and the accent transcends all races.

    A couple of my grandkids in Dub speak with English accents because of all the BBC kids' programmes they watch, and I think people who don't know them think they were born there.

    I remember seeing a documentary decades ago about an English family who moved to France with their kids. When the kids were in the house they spoke English with an English accent, but when they were outside playing with French friends, they spoke English with a French accent. Weird.

    If we come back in a hundred years, we won't be able to understand people, and they won't be able to understand us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,147 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Yeah I've noticed it here in Kildare too, there are no bogger accents anymore. It's like a fake American accent. Then you have the fake nails, fake tan and big voluptuous arses accentuated by Juicy Couture tracksuits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,486 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    I've noticed that as well with some black kids. Well I hadn't figured it was a London accent, just that it didn't sound like an Irish accent that I could trace to a specific location even though they grew up here. Denise Chaila is a good example. She grew up in Limerick (moved there when she was 3) but her accent doesn't sound like a Limerick accent:



    In contrast Rashidat Adeleke, who was born and grew up in Dublin has an accent that sounds far more like a local accent





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Cheila is the archetypal blimbo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,095 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    My eldest started to develop one when she was 9. It went as soon as she went to secondary school, and there isn't a trace of it now at 14. Although she's very good at doing various accents for fun. She does a great New Zealand one.

    She's in two drama groups. What I do notice is that almost all the kids, when they're acting, can't help but put on American accents (even when they're supposed to be playing Irish characters), even if they talk "normally" the rest of the time. The drama teachers should be beating it out of them.

    I've 9 year old twin daughters. No sign of the american accent with them yet. One speaks inexplicably well and proper, with what could almost be described as a "posh" Irish accent. The other one talks like a Clare farmer half the time. You couldn't tell they're from the same house, let alone twins, from listening to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,640 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    I live in a part of West Dublin with a very high concentration of people from an African background. I would estimate that ~10%-15% of the population is black, which is extraordinarily high for Ireland. I also coach a local kids sports team.

    My observation is that the 'sarf' London accent is very noticeable amongst black youths, but mostly amongst those who primarily mix with other black teenagers. The minority who are better integrated and have some white Irish friends, tend to have more 'local' accents.

    I've also noticed that many of the black teenagers / young adults in this area seem to make for London / wider UK as soon as they finish school or college. The roots here seem to be pretty superficial.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,238 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @Mister Vain

    and big voluptuous arses accentuated by Juicy Couture tracksuits.

    Well.... Maybe not all change is so bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    I’ve a different issue around here a lot of the youth on the corners these days sound Irish; so look Irish you’ll assume but they’re communicating in some form of slavic

    -an outlier island does not have the cultural pull of powerhouse nations it can get lost somewhat, carved to shreds people identifying with anywhere but and for the 10% the media portray it’s not worth it.

    Post edited by Bobblehats on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭beachhead


    Not just Cork.It's the same all over the country.Not just kids or teenagers either.I heard a 30 year mother talking to her daughter last night in the supermarket.Mammy's accent changed frequently but had no irish twang at all-she was irish born behind it.Thing is most irish can be spotted by other countries no matter what twang they adopt.The slagging is mighty then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,420 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Judging by how strong Scottish, Geordie, Cockney, Scouse and Belfast accents are, the phenomenon does not seem to affect the UK as much. That is from hearing them on TV and radio. Or go to a football match involving Ulster counties, and you won't hear many YouTube accents. I was at the Monaghan Donegal game in Clones, and I did not pick up any fake accents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,147 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    lol that is fairly spot on. She sounds exactly like my niece.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭Brid Hegarty


    I'd rather be dipped in **** than fake a D4 accent. I remember talking to a UCD student from Sligo after he'd had a few booze and he sounded normal again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,676 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    My cousin lives in Dun Laoghaire, he has the posh D4 accent but I'm not sure how to describe the accent his kids have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,107 ✭✭✭amacca


    Top boy innit mate!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    I know someone born in England but moved to Ireland as a teenager, when I am talking to her its a normal Irish accent but if her mother rings her while im there, her accent turns totally english, its really weird.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I find you can be from anywhere in Ireland but if you went to a private school you're likely to sound D4. The D4est accent I've ever heard was on a girl I met from Kinsale while in Australia about 15 years ago. I think Kinsale is like Dalkey though, posh af.



  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭slither12


    I think people putting on D4 accents is bs to be honest. It's true that we change our accents when speaking to different people and make it sound posher when calling a bank, going for a job interview etc... But I don't for a second believe someone could put on a fake accent throughout their entire day going to college.

    I also think that kids from Cork having posh accents is probably because middle class people from Dublin are moving to those areas. Accents change very slowly and while Irish speech is becoming Americanized (i.e. guys/lads, mom/mum, police/gardai), the accent itself still sounds the same.



  • Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I worked witha french guy in Ballincollig who moved to Ireland 20 years previously with little English. Lovely guy but his accent was just hilarious. <french lilt> bla bla bla</french-lilt> , Boy!

    Makes me laugh to this day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,945 ✭✭✭sporina


    seems that 2 diff accent entities are being discussed here = D4 accents and those influenced by YouTube, TicTok, etc etc..

    I think what I am hearing on the streets is the latter

    thanks for the clarification..

    showing my age.. i don't spend any time on either really - well maybe YouTube but just for music/talks etc.. don't have TT nor won't



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,420 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Louth is the smallest county, but has a variety of accents. Drogheda urban is much different than Dundalk urban, and both are much different to mid Louth. Around the Armagh border, there is a cross border similarity. This does not happen in Cavan along the Fermanagh border.

    Other people living in different counties, will probably say the same, different accents every few miles. We have had British radio and TV for decades, and American programmes, but this never diminished Donegal or Kerry accents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




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  • Registered Users Posts: 24 bannedboyband


    Most likely "all put on". A lot of adults love trying to sound American too just listen to presenters on television and radio. Weird behaviour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭eggy81




  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭slither12


    This may be unpopular but I'd rather hear a faux American accent or D4 accent than a skanger "What's the story bud".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,147 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    2FM is rife with annoying American sounding eejits.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I haven't seen anyone wearing a juicy couture tracksuit since 2005.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    It’s all bromates now if anyone still says bud they’re my friend



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    TikTok accent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,822 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I thought of this thread over the weekend, A childhood friend of mine has lived in Liverpool for 7 years & he has home the weekend & has a very scouse accent now,

    I was joking with him about it & he says its because if he speaks with his natural Dublin accent he just has to repeat himself constantly that goes for in work & at home because his wife two kids have scouse accents as they are Liverpool born & Breed,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭beachhead


    Yes,Kinsale would count as Dalkey.I like it-the comparison thatbis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭beachhead




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,630 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    The development of Hibernia English accents in the EU, see the story of the Latvian Prime minister with the Irish accent is seen as an interesting and quirky human interest story. Yet, the development D4 accents seem to trigger some people so much.

    Neutral accents are on the rise because of social media and a greater awareness of how an accent can pigeonhole someone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,211 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Accents are influenced by plenty more than just location or media consumption or literature or whomever a person surrounds themselves with. It’s just as common to hear children speaking with a New York accent nowadays as it is to hear children years ago speaking with a distinct Texan drawl or nasal sounds, a few years back when children were glued to Barney on TV. The whole ‘D4’ accent has been around for donkeys, it’s not new, and it’s certainly not limited to teenagers or any particular social class.

    It’s just easier to tell in some cases where people are from when you’re already familiar with how people from that area generally speak, no different than people in different parts of Cork, Limerick, Galway or Dublin all sound different or speak differently or use words and phrases which are by definition, colloquialisms. I know what people mean when they’re referring to someone speaking English with an Indian accent for example, though there are there are numerous regional variations and dialects of Indian accents -

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_differences_and_dialects_in_Indian_English


    Similar story with Chinese -

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varieties_of_Chinese



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,945 ✭✭✭sporina




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,945 ✭✭✭sporina


    @mariaalice "Neutral accents are on the rise because of social media and a greater awareness of how an accent can pigeonhole someone"

    seems so.. and if one has a musical ear, they pick up accents more easily

    there is prob a bit of a peer influence too with regards to the youth I am talking about



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,420 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Where are they getting the New York accent from if it is not from media consumption? The Barney accent was obviously got from media consumption. I never heard any children talking with a distinct Texas drawl or nasal sounds.



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