Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

if he feels that he has wrung what he can from the EU would Sunak not call a U.K. referendum between the current protocol on offer v no deal? Let the U.K. people decide what kind of Brexit they want. It would have to be U.K. wide as everyone would be affected if the TACA would end. If the people went with the protocol the U.K. could move forward with growth plans with some certainty and if they went with no deal it would truly be the will of the people. It would take a few months to organise but if it settled matters would it not be democratic. It ignores the rejoin the internal market option etc but it might be too early for that anyway

A referendum on pretty much a trade negotiation. That's in essence what it is.

They will need to be having more and more of them so if they plan to do a proper trade deal with a third country.

What ever deal is reached or signed of with the EU wrt NI, it's going to complicate other future trade deals the UK plan.

Goods move freely from the EU->NI->GB with zero checks. Any 3rd party deal the UK plan to do with another country is going to want checks from NI to GB so the north issue even if settled between the UK and EU is gonna be back front and stage again. Total clusterfuck!

I think the UK Govn't line is that they will have addressed all the 7 DUP points and got what they believe are satisfactory solutions. the DUP will not be the judge of that as they are obviously going to say No. Chris HH seems to think they can keep trouble to small numbers in the ERG.

Yeah the DUP later changed their 7 tests to a new test - and also complained that "if we'd known the UK government would try to pass these DUP tests, we'd have picked other ones (strictly they said "we'd have sharpened them).

I.e. Bad faith Goalpost-movers.

There was another good point that "either you get the DUP/ERG involved at the start- in which case, they set negotiating demands which are delusional- or you present them with the results of your negotiation, in which case they claim you tried to bounce them in to something".

Do 'Brexiteers' even exist any longer? We are discussing a failed and discredited ideology at this point - I would nearly describe them as former Brexiteers.

If Sunak does bow to either the ERG or the DUP he just gives Labour more ammo. They have been hammering that he is weak and if he doesn't stand up to either of them when they have told him they will help him pass any votes on the NIP if he needs it, then surely it means he is done.

Must be an unreal change working in a place like that. I've worked in places going the opposite direction but never one where the action keeps doubling.

Guessing no checks on UK origin goods destined ONLY for NI and vice versa or some fudge like that. How it will work is anyone's guess, big huge "Union Jack UK/NI only" tags or what??

I see the commentary (excuse) from British Gov is that EU have relented, come around to our way of thinking and are at last compromising. Right to the very end they are exceptional.

Similar stuff on UK sites - I guess Sunak must have gotten the go ahead from the DUP.

Talk that there will be a brief announcement this evening followed by a comprehensive outline of the plan tomorrow.

DUP haven't seen the deal.

I doubt he has any agreement from DUP or the anti-EU tories. He's just playing it out slowly.

I believe he is afraid and the whole thing will collapse in on itself once he unveils this great "deal", quite possible his time as PM will come to an end as well. How many is that for the UK now over past few years, my head is spinning...!

Still believe it is a complete waste of the EUs time, but I suppose we'll see.

This is my thinking. Would the rest of the party really cause a GE, with the polls they way they are now? My bet is they will do the same as they did with the NIP itself. Get it through on the basis that things can be worked out later.

This will be soled as a great result by Sunak, and hopefully a bounce for the local elections. NI, and te DUP, will be put on the long finger.