Incoming E10 fuel. Dreams dashed.

Most people don't care about the RON value of their fuel and the majority of cars here will happily run on 93 to 95 from the factory by default with no ill effects.

In my experience, the only drivers concerned with getting 98RON or higher are those with higher performance cars or cars that have been mapped to take advantage of the higher RON value fuels. I have friends who drive tuned JDM cars like 200sx, Integras and Supras who mention this quite often but outside of that cohort, there is never a peep about the RON value of petrol.

There are fuel additives that can be bought to increase the RON value of the fuel if this is really desired in any case.

UK Gov have a site to check compatibility with E10

https://www.gov.uk/check-vehicle-e10-petrol

With the amount of new and imported high performance cars evident around the place, especially in Dublin, it would be well worth somebody's time retailing 98 or 100 RON at a couple of sites.

You can see literally dozens of AMGs, M Cars, Porkers, Astons and classic V8s and V12s on any spin around the City. And its great that people are bent on keeping wonderful hand-built petrol engines on the road for a long time.

If I was this guy, I wouldn't be putting any old shyte in the tank.

There will be a public consultation, I'm sure their minds are made up but voicing these fair criticisms cannot hurt.

" You can see literally dozens of AMGs, M Cars, Porkers, Astons and classic V8s and V12s on any spin around the City. And its great that people are bent on keeping wonderful hand-built petrol engines on the road for a long time "

No doubt a rain forests is being burnt down to grow sugarcane, so the greens can feel all smug inside.

We lost 98 RON long before diesel was pushed hard.

Last year walking into a pub there was a lovely Porsche parked outside, it was parked with it's bald nearly to the wire tyres on show. For the amount of people who buy those types of car who are actually into driving vs people wanting to look good 95 RON is perfectly fine.

I emailed both Circle K and Maxol a few days ago about this, as I have two 90s Japanese cars and I'm concerned about using E10.

Not holding my breath for a reply but will post up if I receive any information.

Why do people think that Japan has super duper petrol.

They have regular min 89ron, and hi octo, min96 ron

In Ireland we have premium, min 95 ron

Most petrol in Japan is 90ish ron with 1.8% ethanol.

They are not all driving around with 100ron.

click on the link, and it will bring you to a pdf with Japan's fuel info

Yes, but what I'm getting at is they don't have 95.

They only have regular 90 ron and super 96+ron.( Usually 98-100)

In Ireland we have premium 95.

I highly doubt everyone in Japan is running super.

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There are 3 grades of fuel, regular (90 to 92ron), premium (95) and super (97+)

Europe, well the eu doesn't sell regular.

95 isn't a bad fuel, it's better than what a lot of the world uses.

I know my Ron Mon pon & aki's

That's what I'm saying, they don't have 95

They have 89/90 ron, which is like the American 87aki/pon

And those jap specs were last set in 2002.

Yes they 98+

But as I've said, I don't think everyone there is using super plus

I'm really not following the technical details in this thread -

What I do think I understand is that the new e10 fuel provides fewer KM per litre, and perhaps slightly less power. I'm fine with that once there's an equivalent reduction in price. But I'm pretty confident there won't be. We'll be told E10 is equally expensive (or even more so) to produce, or there'll be a coincidental increase in taxation around the same time it is introduced.

Measures like this turn people against what would otherwise be perfectly sensible environmental changes.

"Those fuel additives are trash, the only real substitute is getting someone in the north to buy some Aviation fuel and bring it down and mix it yourself lol."

Why in north? There is no difference between Avgas sold in the UK an the ROI.

If using avgas, be conscious that it contains lead. So if your car has a Cat convertor, it will destroy it.

I haven't received any response from either yet, and it's been about 10 days.

Some articles in Irish Newspapers were saying how in the UK they have retained premium fuel as E5 but the demand is low, and based on that they think there will be zero demand in Ireland. Also the fact that a separate tank would be required.

However many stations already have two pumps, for example Circle K have Miles and Miles Plus. I assume there is a separate tank for Miles Plus. Could they not change Miles to E10, and keep MilesPlus at E5? I rarely see anyone opting for MilesPlus anyway, so it would make sense for them to offer an E5 option there.

They're loving it. Less efficiency at same price means they lose less or nothing in the change and they gain from more frequent visits from the punters who buy a coffee and a roll when filling up.

I put in a full tank of E10 up north a few weeks ago just finished using a full one of E5 down here, didn't notice any difference and mine still has the sticker on the dash to say use at least 98 Octane.