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Is Charles III a closet republican?

  • 28-02-2023 7:17pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I mean he isn't too popular with some in the DUP (the irony!) and he made a remark to Louise O'Neill that was certainly a dig at Unionist policy. Does he really buy into the Kingship stuff?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,489 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Are you seriously asking if the King believes that there should be no King?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,612 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I doubt he's in favour of the UK becoming a Republic; but its fairly likely that he doesn't give a toss about the status of NI. He is basically not allowed actually say that, but he can show it by actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭saabsaab






  • I mean obviously he believes in kingship. he is the king. He has made no indication to surrender that title either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    There's not enough inheritance involved in Republicanism for him to be interested in practicing republicanism. But, I'm sure Charles dabbles in the ideas of republicanism at dinner parties in the same way that some communist idealists are communist but they will never spend one day of their life living in a communist country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,294 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    You're seriously confusing Unionist and Monarchist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,618 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I seem to recall him signing up to be king and the only thing bothering him was a leaky pen.

    He is currently sending out invites to his coronation.

    So no he isn't any sort of republican.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    People have often gone along with a role expected of them due to familiarity and take up the family business. Sometimes they don't believe in it.





  • Right.. and that’s happened how many times as a king or queen of England?

    This isn’t just a small role in a family business like?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Is he a Republican? No, that's a stretch.

    He has however, inherited a throne in his 70s having spent most of his life assuming he'd rule through middle age, at best. His mum was coronated at 26?

    Perhaps it's simply his heart isn't into a role he's suddenly asked to fulfill in his twilight years. He'll have, what, maybe 10 to 20 years rule? And his first responsibility is overseeing the continuing clusterF that is Brexit and the madness that are the modern Tories.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Not to mention Louise O'neill and Michelle O'Neill...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    The superstitious might believe that a leaky pen portends a break in the future and/or a break between generations!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭saabsaab




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I would say there's a difference between supporting the Act of Union and supporting the DUP (although the latter would probably disagree with that)

    There's scenarios where Northern Ireland gains more independence but remains a monarchy under Charles. I imagine he's happy enough with any of those outcomes provided he's still king


    Probably worth also remembering that Elizabeth ended her reign over fewer countries than when she started but nobody threw her off the throne for it.

    Could very well be that Charles doesn't care about anywhere else as long as he's King of England (and maybe Wales and Scotland, not sure where his thoughts like there)

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,612 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Should add that while Charles clearly doesn't have great memories of his time at school in Scotland, I imagine he would be far, far more protective of it as part of his Kingdom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,902 ✭✭✭standardg60


    What was the remark?

    I don't doubt that he's a fan of the republic (of Ireland) if that's what you mean



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,612 ✭✭✭✭L1011



    During his rapid UK tour after Betty died, he chatted to her at relative length about being in charge of the biggest party etc, while Jeffrey was standing beside her. He didn't give him anywhere near as much attention,



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    He is in a strange position.

    He declared himself to be 'Defender of faiths' instead of 'Defender of THE Faith' when he was still PofW.

    Now he is King, he is the head of the Church of England, next up is God.

    So how does he reconcile those two positions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    He said 'didn't they know that they lost?' to Michelle O'Neill re Unionists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,882 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    He isn’t a closet republican.

    he and his family live a life of wealth, luxury, opulence and absolute ease and comfort, courtesy of their rank and status, directly as a result of there being a monarchy…

    his personal wealth is believed to be well over a hundred million since the passing of his parents and him inheriting a good chunk of that

    All he has to do, is pay lip service to things that have become de rigueur such as the environment, mental health and possibly a slimmed down monarchy in time. All that is already happening…

    The monarchy is a revenue earner, brought in on average just under 2 billion in revenue before covid, that’s per year.

    that said, polls in Britain show that support for the monarchy is on the wain, especially amongst young people, teens, twenties etc don’t care for it… but I think the appetite for doing away with it is quite a ways away.

    I do believe that in time it will be ninjad though, just not in my lifetime.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 932 ✭✭✭snowstorm445


    To be fair the British monarch governs the Church of England and yet also claims to be a member of the Church of Scotland. The first is an Anglican Church with many inherited Catholic traditions, bishops and the apostolic succession, the second repudiates Catholicism and bishops altogether. Their doctrines are fundamentally different. Which to me suggests that most of the puffery they make about religion or being "Defender of the Faith" is just à la carte lip service designed to tick the right political boxes. The typical shiny bauble mascot stuff that pretty much defines the royal family nowadays anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Dr Karl


    The title Defender of the Faith was given to Henry VIII by the then Pope, I think it was one of the Pope Leos. The Anglican church's creed says they are catholic. There are actually a number of churches, mainly in the Middle East, that accept the Pope in Rome as the head of their church, they just are not part of the Latin Rite, which is the most common form of catholicism in Western Europe. Having said that the CoE is not one of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,712 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    The DUP are a bunch of dour, cantankerous bigots could you blame Charlie for wanting to avoid them. Another example of how loyalism and cultural unionism is an idiotic concept, being loyal to people who hold nothing but contempt for you.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,095 ✭✭✭trashcan


    Did he really say that ? 😀. Brilliant. He just went up a notch in my estimation !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,618 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I'm not a superstitious person so I tend to go by his actions.

    There may well be a break between generations but passing on the family business to your son is not the same as wishing it was closed down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Can't find the exact quote but it was picked up by accident on the mike. Along those lines might have been 'has anyone told them the results yet?'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,497 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I’m no sf fan but I like Michelle oneill and the warmth was obvious between them. He thanked her for her kind words. Contrasted nicely with the stiff as a board cold DUP whom it was obvious he had no connection with



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    Having seen him make fun of Jeffrey Donaldson in front of Michelle O'Neill i think he has no great love for the northern unionists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,986 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Lol. IMO he doesn't think much of the DUP, and its so called "leaders" like Donaldson.

    I don't think anyone with any sense actually likes or respects the DUP, so it just shows King Charles has at least 1oz of sense rather than him being a bit of an agent of chaos who is out to abolish his own position in life!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    "Is the King a monarchist?" sounds like an absurd rhetorical question akin to "is the Pope Catholic". Of course he's not a republican.

    The DUP are, as usual, wedded to a badly out of date vision of what society should look like. As a result, things that seem to any normal person as uneventful (talking to the leaders of SF or the President of the EC) are an affront to the DUP. The very idea that they're "controversial" implies that we should be taking the small-mindedness of the DUP as a standard.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The DUP strike as old school monarchists, the "know your place" crowd who think unwavering, fawning fealty to the crown is being a good Briton; that outsized Lady Protesting too Much cos anything to not be thought as Irish. Meanwhile the rest of the UK seeing the Royals more as a useful bit for tourism, a cultural nicety and throwback (though maybe not even that with certain ethnicities and PoC)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,389 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I think if you injected King Charles with sodium penathol and asked him, he'd say the UK should renounce the six Counties and Ireland should reunite immediately.

    In fact, you probably wouldn't even need the drug.

    Charles has been in Ireland way more than his public diary would suggest, he often came privately for holidays with friends he has, mostly in Munster.

    He loves it here, for the peace, the privacy, the fact people just leave well known folk alone and that he is treated as just another bloke. Plus he loves the outdoors and nature. Its just like Scotland, but with easier hills and nobody bowing.

    He and Michael D are also thick as thieves.

    I'd go so far as to say if Charles hadn't been the heir, he'd probably be living in Mountbatten's old house in Classiebawn for donkey's years now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭coolshannagh28


    Charles was in foul humour at the swearing of the oaths of office, during which he grimaced ,at the privy council ( the incident with the pen) however this was a distraction from his distaste at the actual oaths which are bigoted and anti catholic. He is definitely a republican albeit a a pragmatic one .



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    I think it’s because sin Féin give him irish hospitality and chat with him and have the craic and the unionists are 0 craic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I think he will only rules for 5-10 years and hand over to william then. He saw what waiting did to him and know for the monarchy to survive it cannot have old King or queen after old king or queen

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I see C III has given the title 'Duke of Edinburgh to his brother Prince Edward.

    Prince Andrew, who had expected it for himself said 'Ok, no sweat!'





  • I don’t think Andrew expected anything from Charles though? Didn’t he make it crystal clear he’s not welcome in the family, basically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    A large part of British history was always about the Parliament and the Monarch and who can decide and do what. This goes back to the English civil war, the beheading of Charles the 1st, Cromwell, The Restauration and later on the Glorious Revolution of 1688.

    The King has no right to impose taxes and impose laws and can also not declare war on anybody, even though he's the monarch.

    In a nutshell, he can't do very much, other than represent, nice neutral speeches and wreath laying ceremonies on various occasions such as Remembrance Day.

    He doesn't even have a passport, neither a driver's license and only travels overseas if he's invited.

    Also, imagine, you're living right in central London and can't go out for a beer to a pub or any other meal on your own, or a movie or a theatre or opera performance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,586 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    How does that square with British law, and various rights afforded to persons there? Does William have a passport, and more freedom in his affairs?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,586 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I presume he's bound by legislation or the like to that effect. It would be interesting if he challenged such restrictions legally. Harder nowadays given the UK doesn't fall under the European High Courts



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    He is constrained by the unwritten constitution.

    I am not sure how a monarch can challenge himself in his own courts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I suppose, William as well as Kate and all the other members of the Royal family do have passports and do need driver's licenses when driving a car.

    They have more freedom, but would have to follow security regulations and the media would be all over them, where ever they go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,605 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Didn't he say he'd serve for life?

    UK has not (yet) left the ECHR, it's nothing to do with the EU.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    His mother swore to serve for life - 'be it long or be it short'. Not sure he made the same commitment, but he is 73 now.

    If he challenged anything it would be a constitutional crisis that might end his reign, and possibly the monarchy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,569 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    No. The hardliner NI Unionists have, as Malcolm Tucker would say, all the charm of a rotting teddy bear by a graveside. They're probably a bit embarrassing to him and his title that the most ardent pro-Monarchy fanatics are head-bangers who hate gays and think the world is about 6 thousand years old. They're obviously clowns and it's a blow to the ego to know you're best supported by clowns.

    But he has shown no evidence that he doubts the role of the Monarchy. I think the Monarchy is a complete joke that old British people play on themselves. It doesn't so much harm nowadays though so I say leave them to enjoy it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,368 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    He did say he’d serve until death. It was “however long god grants me.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,389 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    That doesn't mean death. In the past, it has been interpreted as loss of possession of the monarch's faculties.

    If the soundness of the King's mind was ever in doubt, the Government and the Lord Chamberlain could take a decision, confirmed by an Act of Parliament, to name the Prince of Wales as Prince Regent until the natural death of the King and his own formal accession.

    It last occurred when 'Mad' King George III was bypassed in 1811 and his son, later George IV, ruled as Regent until 1820.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,338 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    He seems to like Ireland, he has been here a number of times, but I would not say he is a "closet republican", the question of this thread. After all, his favourite Uncle, a retired man of 79, was murdered ( along with other civilians) by republicans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,569 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Apologies if you're joking. But the OP presumably means to ask if Charles is republican on the quearionnof whether the UK should have a Monarchy or not, whether it should be a Monarchy or a Republic. Not whether NI should belong as part of the UK or ROI.



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