Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

The UK has agreed to a border down the Irish Sea, something they said they would never do.

Data was a huge concession.

Once that was agreed and trust was restored the 'adults' sent from the UK were able to get more.

Allowing EU rules to remain, and border infrastructure to be built is also a concession. The SM is safe and has the mechanisms needed to protect it if somebody tries it on.

But the 30 just puts it to Stormont who then decide to put it to Westminster.

And this unquantifiable "major issues only" that I would be very sceptical of if I was a unionist.

who is the independent arbitration.

The chance of the EU introducing something that would be so egregious and damaging that it would meet the criteria to pass each of those checkpoints is infinitesimally small.

This is one of the most important points in all this - the issue all this is attempting to solve is unlikely to ever exist. Most likely Britain will simply stay aligned to EU rules and mirror any changes. I think that will be pretty much guaranteed under a Labour government (which is likely to be the case for the foreseeable).

Several prominent members of the UK government have said how beneficial remaining in the CU will be for them, why do they not also want those benefits for Britain too? Clearly pulling further from EU standards is only going to cause more problems for the UK. They are going to do that, even if they wanted to, the Tories don't have the work ethic to have new standards produced and then enforce them (and even if they had the work ethic, they wont have the resources, particularly human).

Obviously the real issue for Unionists is there being a Nationalist FM. The deal would have to be absolutely amazing for it to be worth them accepting that, and it is far from that. I think Sunak pushes ahead regardless of what the DUP say, he has to or he is toast. The UK press will probably row in behind him and also ignore the DUP, they again have to or there will be a Labour government very soon (his mother probably wouldn't but I could see Charlie getting directly involved and pulling the plug if the Tories try to impose a 4th PM in a year).

I really don't get this sudden concern for the DUP from Tories who backed Johnson in the last election specifically to circumvent the DUP veto that hamstrung May. It's just posturing of course.

The joke is on the Brexiteers.

I get the idea Labour will not talk about rejoin or the single market or customs union. They will, if they get in power, use the review of the trade agreement to get an agreement so close to those without calling it any of those but it would be all of that in all but name. The feelings of Brexit is still strong and it would be a massive mistake if they took it lightly.

Sunak talking about how a great deal that is makes this easier to sell for Labour when they are in power. They were not the ones talking about how great a deal it is to have that access. All they will be doing is making it easier to trade with the EU without giving up sovereignty. Or something like that.

I think this tweet sums up this whole mess rather well. And I do find it ironic that JRM and others seem to now care about how the monarch is involved and the optics of it, when I seem to remember they went to Scotland to see the then queen and lied to her about proroguing parliament. It’s a bit to see through being honest. And Sunak in NI today making the case for being in the SM, I think by accident but I’m not sure.

When Labour get into power I assume trade deals will be done quietly and peacefully like they used to be done.

No more of this crusading bullsht. Shouting to the rafters about taking on the big bad EU and giving Jerry a bloody nose.

Agreed but the untrustworthy liars wouldn’t implement it, now of course they’re going to have to implement it.