Winter 21/22 Eviction Ban (was: And just like that, FFFG lose 298000 votes))

In relation to government intervention (your point no. 5). I would actually be delighted if the government did remove one intervention - that being the public money which flows into the market. If they could cancel all long term agreements I'd be happy. That might not be possible but they could cancel all HAP payments tomorrow. There are around 50% of tenants who cannot pay the rent demanded by the landlords and so the landlords receive a subsidy to rent to them. That could be removed in the morning and let the market rate actually be the market rate. I assume that, in order to be consistent, you would also remove the special exemptions whereby a landlord can currently terminate an agreement early? So that if a tenant is in with 4 years left on their current lease, that the landlord cannot evict them because of a family member wanting the house or the landlord wanting to sell?

In relation to regulations that protect the tenants, those kinds of rules are quite common. Would you be equally as happy to remove all similar protections from other areas? Minimum wages, statutory entitlement to holiday pay or redundancy? Rules related to hours worked etc. Health and Safety regulations etc? I mean if my workers will agree to work in an unsafe environment where I don't provide basic safety equipment, why should I be held liable, or held to account, if one of them gets injured or killed as a result?

How about self-employed taxi drivers trying to make a living? Should he be allowed to charge you whatever he wants based on what you will agree to pay? If it's All-Ireland or Garth Brooks in Croke park and there is a big crowd in Dublin and it's late at night and he knows that you are stuck for getting back to your hotel, why can't he squeeze 100 Euro out of you legally? The private mobile phone company who figures out that your remote location only receives signal from their masts and knows that you would have no option but to pay a special 300 Euro a month tariff for your contract when everyone else gets the same contract for 30 a month?

Ok let's try again. The mechanic provides the service once and does not do it again. He mitigates his loss.

The landlord can't mitigate his loss for a number of months if not years.

See the difference? I will give you a hint. RPZ legislation, RTB ineffencies, eviction bans? Did these exist in 2018/2019?

I think this comes across more and more from his posts. It's a visceral hatred too. Everything he posts is reflected by what ever petty dislike he has of LL's

To be fair to our politicians (Government and Opposition), I dont believe any choose to have a property crisis, and I dont believe any deliberately created a housing crisis. Many may be misguided or placed populism ahead of policies that were necessary, but thats not the same as saying they chose to create the current situation.

This is a good example of the bind that the government is in right now. Beating up on landlord property rights is one thing (even to be welcomed by some of the posters on here), but picking on property rights of regular home owners is a whole different ball game. Any sign of increased property tax, a vacant room tax, forced rental of vacant rooms in an owner occupied property, increased levels of property density or social housing in leafy suburbia - they might help, but no politician is bonkers enough to try any of that.

This is a very good assessment of the current rental market and specific to Ireland.

The Solution is to go back to the 80’s councils owned and built large amounts of housing. Private rental was casual, you were a student, starting a job…. You rented a place. You couldn’t afford housing you went on the council housing list and eventually got one. You could afford it you bought. That worked up to the 90’s the fell apart in the 2000’s. We need to get back to that. Granted we didn’t have the migration we had then but I think that is much less of problem that people make out. This craic of the state relying on private LL’s and developers for social housing simply isn’t working it’s not good for anybody.

The problem with LA build estates is in larger urban centres they became getto's. LA are inefficient builders as well as being very poor at estate management. In Dublin alone there is 18 million owed on outstanding rent.

Having said all that these is a serious need for more social housing to be built. Probably the most efficient method is for the LA to take up there option on privately build estates

"..the ban has not worked because the number of people in emergency accommodation has risen to record levels, with month-on-month increases continuing since its imposition."

"..the ban was creating a “new form of homelessness” because people coming back from abroad were unable to move back into their own properties.

Speaking in Drogheda yesterday, Mr Varadkar said: “I think there has been a demonisation of landlords – small landlords in particular – and that hasn’t been helpful. We need landlords – the state is a landlord – providing social and cost rental institutions and we need small landlords as well.”

Interesting comments in the media this morning. Who would have ever thought that this meddling would have unintended negative consequences? Lots of people actually.

I was pretty sure they would renew it, but the recent soundbites look like its going to be allowed to lapse. I reckon they will dream up some new pro-tenant protection (i.e. anti-landlord) to replace it. Maybe a special stamp duty on sales of former rental properties or an increase in CGT on ex-rental sales. I'm sure they'll dream up some way of "encouraging" landlords to stay in the market - against their will if necessary.

I can’t believe they fell into the Sinn Fein trap and introduced it in the first place, as soon as it was introduced you could be guaranteed the opposition would be shouting about homelessness and the need to extend the ban, and right enough off they went, you’d want to be blind not to see what the opposition is at here. They know perfectly well that the ban won’t prevent homelessness and will drive more landlords out of the market and eventually absolutely destroy the rental market, extend it long enough up to the general election you say?

If the government were idiotic enough to do that they’d be handing Sinn Fein votes on a platter as they came out and derided the government housing policy and suddenly forgot it was them calling for the ban. They would use this to target everyone including single property owners who would be decimated at this point, they’d offer big tax concessions to get their votes, rebuilding Ireland together or some other shite.

If somehow they managed to get into government the first thing they would do would be to scrap the ban, and come out with something like now that they’re in government and can see the full situation the ban should never have been brought in, in the first place and FF/FG were absolute idiots for doing it.

Like I say I can’t believe they fell into the trap, now the only option is to shut it down, live with the consequences and hopefully sort something out before the elections.

They'd be loudly condemned for that by most of the dail, they'll try everything and anything else first.

Renters, particularly private renters are not politically important.

No landlord or even homeowner is going to let them get away with extending a ban which takes property rights away from the owner.

Im afraid they need to make a decision now. Do they want to p!ss off the people who rent property or do they want to p!ss off the people who owns property or is thinking about buying property.