Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

No security Guarantees given by Russia or saught by America.

As I said America didn't need anyones permission or security Guarantees for President Joe Biden to visit ukraine,

I'm pretty sure the Kremlin were well aware of the Dire consequences they faced if they deliberately or accidentally on purpose threatened the Presidents life.

That itself is a threat

I don't understand why people are trying to twist themselves into knots over this , there was no Security Guarantee sought by the Americans, their was no permission sought from putin himself,

But now oh but that's school yard bullying,

Trying to convulte stories to suit an agenda?

Odd comment to pickup on. I wasn't referencing any claim, I was pointing to another poster's comment that some individuals have a tendency to fall for Russian propaganda.

Looks like bahkmut is close to being retaken by the Russians.

the Ukrainians gave it their old, fair dues

Wasn’t it in Russian hands before the Ukrainians took it back?

That's a scenario that could play out in the coming months...

The Russians claimed to have taken down a MQ9 drone close to Crimea according to the statements that they released it was taken down without weapons and without a mid-air collision

So sounds like they either bought it down like the Iranians did to a American drone using electronic means or the Russian jet simply flew close to the drone and caused it to go out of control and crash by using the wake turbulance generated from its wings and engines.

I believe they were initially claiming not to have gone near the US drone, before the usual MO of kind of smirkingly admitting it in the end (I think they think this lying stuff is clever or something).

Now saying they are going to salvage wreckage of the drone.

It's an interesting event anyway, the information being collected by NATO/US in such flights and passed to Ukraine must be bugging them something fierce to start taking risks like this.😘

I think the Ukranians are happy enough to hold on in Bahkmut because they're probably killing 3 or 4 Russians for every one of them that dies. How many people can Putin realistically send to die at the front before it starts to cause problems domestically?

But why would they be close to taking ANYTHING, if they are in fact getting their a$$es handed to them in this war in spectacular fashion? It's a very simple and logical question to ask.

We've been told for many months now, just how superior the Ukrainians are on the battlefield compared with their Russian counterparts. And we can see the effort that they have been putting in to hold on to Bahkmut... they're giving it everything they have. Yet the inferior Russians appear to be getting the better of them.

It would be different if the narrative was that this is a 50/50 war, with both sides having success and failures... but that's certainly not the narrative being spun by the western propagandists. The Ukrainians are vastly superior in practically every way imaginable, and the Russians are embarrassingly useless apparently...

It's interesting to see this rhetoric being rolled back now... And it's not a trivial matter either.

Public and political support for this military adventurism from the west, is to a large extent reliant on what the projected outcome will likely be. If people realise they are being lied to about how this conflict is actually progressing, they're not going to be very happy about supporting some never ending crusade to defeat Russia. There is a relatively small but loud minority in the west who are enjoying and cheering on this ugly blood-fest... most people in the west would prefer some sort of negotiated peace.

And the political pressure for this is just going to keep growing bigger as time goes on... particularly as we get closer to the next US election.