Are there any credible conspiracy theories?

I don't need to define something to discuss it.

You're looking for a finite definition of something so you can shut down discussion.

But a finite definition isn't possible because we don't know the source of this virus. Scientists do not agree it can't have come from a lab only its very unlikely. But they can't find any evidence of the other scenerio's that it occurred in nature either.

You won’t define what the lab leak theory is. I am not trying to shut down the discussion.

To claim that one cannot define what the lab leak theory is because we don’t know the source of the virus is disingenuous. If we knew the source of the virus there wouldn’t be competing theories as to the source of the virus.

You post a comprehensive list of "all" lab theories then. Including the ones you've not heard off.

Actually it was during the whole thing that I did stumble on a credible conspiracy theory. But it's one that conspiracy theorists never once picked up on because it wasn't very exciting.

There was a lot of talk about "gain of function" testing. But in the conspiracy world this was more what was used to create the virus for the purpose of depopulation or vaccines. At the time US officials, Fauci included was stating that the US was not funding such research.

It's entirely possible that they were funding such research either knowingly or unknowingly, and the denial of it was made in ignorance or in full knowledge. It's plausible that there was some covering up, spin or reluctance to investigate to avoid this being exposed.

But since this doesn't result in sexy, world ending theories, it's not very interesting to theorists.

I told you why. It's because you ignore any replies or questions you find too difficult to address and that made it clear it wasn't worth answering your question.

I also did define it knowing full well you would not be engaging in discussion in good faith and would continue to avoid questions and points.

And shock, you are again ignoring that.

Sorry your statement regarding the FBI is false

It states  “the FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan.”

Why are you misrepresenting what was actually said ?

The FBI reached the same conclusion as some conspiracy theorists... Isnt that the kind of source you guys are always looking for regarding a CT ?

You cannot have it both ways by asking for credible conspiracy theories and then moaning like a petulant child when presented by some potential credible sources

Where did I claim it was impossible ?

But it didn't reach the same conclusions as conspiracy theorists.

As the vast majority of conspiracy theorists weren't suggesting that the virus was accidentally released.

Again, you are trying to rewrite what was being claimed because you are editing out what conspiracy theorists actually did.

You are contradicting yourself

You go from an absolute conclusion to a vast majority.

Conspiracy theorists claimed the virus came from a lab in Wuhan. some claimed released accidentally, some claimed it was a bio weapon, others claimed it was natural but released on purpose ...etc etc examples of this are in the articles posted in the reply to Robinph

With the FBI and ministry of energy in the US stating it was likely it came from the Lab in Wuhan, some of the CT cohort was right. Don't loose any sleep over it, You cannot be right all the time

You seem obsessed with right or wrong, black or white.

That there are elements in common doesn't validate either.

You're going the route of infinite monkeys.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem

Finally!

The “lab leak theory” was dismissed and censored as a conspiracy theory when speculation began as to the origin of Covid 19.

There were many theories that were not credible that were all labelled as the “lab leak theory” to discredit the notion that the pandemic emerged from a lab.

The theory that Covid 19 was a result of a naturally occurring virus that was manipulated in a lab and then escaped is a theory that is possible in my opinion.

I don’t believe that the virus was created as a weapon. I don’t believe it was deliberately leaked but the vast majority of people have never believed either of these positions.

The main theories as to the origin of Covid were:

It emerged from the wet market in Wuhan.

It emerged from a leak at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

It originated on frozen food imported to China.

Where did I say anything about an absolute conclusion?

So why didn't the FBI reach the same conclusions about the virus as the conspiracy theorists who claimed it was released on purpose etc?

Can we dismiss those theories as false?

But when you are asked for examples of this, you dodge. Or present things that don't support what you claim, then you start dodging.

When you are asked why this occurred, you dodge.

When you are asked to explain why the FBI wasn't dismissed or censored, you dodge.

The post below was only a few days. You were asked for proof of these claims and were completely unable to do so. The linked articles actually contradicted your claims.

You are being completely disingenuous and your claims have no credibility. Your position shifts from post to post in an entirely self serving manner. So round and round the thread goes as you make a claim, you are challenged on it and unable to support it. You shift the goalposts then eventually rehash the same claim as if nothing happened.

Heres the evidence from last time round.

Definitive positive proof of your deliberate misrepresentation:

Has no one ever conspired?

Has no one ever theorised?

Regarding the sale of nicotine, many (quite rightly) theorised that the manufacturers and safety bodies were conspiring to maintain a safe status for a damaging product.

You have things very upsidedown

The conspiracy theory community didn't uncover anything, they just pointed at Covid from day one and said inside job, like they do to everything. Saying it was man-made. The thread on this forum is literally titled "Covid-19 likely to be man made".

The FBI haven't stated that it was man-made. They have investigated and eventually, over time, they have concluded that they believe it was a lab leak incident. Which was never ruled out. I said that lab leak was possible multiple times.

Keep in mind FBI have this theory at "most likely", the dept of energy have it at "low confidence", and there's a big portion of the scientific and expert community who believe it was from the wet market, and have produced peer reviewed papers supporting that. So there's no consensus.

It reminds me of how in his trials, Alex Jones constantly claimed he was right about WMDs and Jesse Smollet. Which on the face of it would seem to be true.

But of course that would require you ignore all of the things he also claimed were faked and also the reasons he believed these things were faked.

Your article refers to:

So someone from a Chinese media outlet told Musk not to tweet stuff on the Chinese version of twitter.

On top of this not being very secret or conspiratorial, did it even work? Did Musk stop tweeting stuff about covid?

Not a very good example to supports your argument.

Some censorship since it was widely discussed and everyone was talking about it.

This is another blatant misrepresentation of the article's contents.

On Sunday, however, Musk apparently crossed the line when he amplified tweets drawing attention to allegations the U.S. government altered a coronavirus found in bats at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, creating COVID-19 in the process. 

How does this prove people were labelled a conspiracy theorist for raising possibility of an accidental lab leak of a naturally originated virus?

It doesn't.

What?

Does this in your mind somehow contradict the notion that Covid 19 leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology?