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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    Indeed.

    The experience of every other European country subjected to mass immigration of this scale and character has been a deluge of violence, especially sexual violence, against the native population.

    We are seeing the first green shoots of this in Ireland. It will intensify.

    Equally inevitable is the already active media agenda to cover it up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,504 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    In many ways no country is more at risk of a perfect storm of negative effects from unfettered immigration as Ireland as we have an exclusively left wing media, perhaps Sweden has no conservative media of any kind either? , the UK at least does have diversity of opinion in media



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    And as it is?

    Radio silence because it does not fit the prevailing "black good, white bad" "foreigner good, native bad" narrative.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The EU does need to revisit it's immigration policy. 100%. The sooner the better.

    However no matter what policy they invent, there will be mass immigration to Europe for many many reasons. It's unstoppable. The real question is how you tighten the asylum process and if you try and integrate the "undocumented" or whether you allow them to ghetto up or whether you forcibly deport millions (to where) or whether you try and help the African countries to help reduce outward migration or loads and loads of other scenarios. It's very very complex. Extremely. Mass inward migration is inevitable though. It will get worse and worse.

    There is absolutely no point in arguing the points using individual videos on tiktok or whatever ye use (Boards is my only social media). They are all micro events, you need to see the macro picture.

    We have our fingers in the dyke now, it will break. Mature discussion required. Total societal breakdown is the risk here.

    I laughed earlier when I read someone talking about a 'cracker' attack in Limerick and someone else replying male-female violence was whataboutery. In Ireland! If that's the level of debate...😂😂

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    Mass immigration isn't inevitable.

    How can Hungary, Poland, Japan and, recently, Denmark protect their borders? How could every other European country up until recent decades?

    It's a deliberate and orchestrated policy that can be stopped at any time.

    The inevitability myth is a lie used by the tiny elite who profit from transformative immigration to justify it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 655 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99




  • Registered Users Posts: 82,370 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You’re deflecting it was in Sweden. You’re going off about something else entirely now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    100% it is. 100%.

    Climate change alone will force it from northern and central Africa. Inevitable. They will have no choice. The rains have been failing for years and it will get much worse.

    100%. And in a much much bigger scale. It will be an exodus. By 2050 some of the most populous African countries will be almost unlivable.

    The borders of the EU will be a sieve. Perhaps you will see the EU break up and countries go it alone to throw up strong border controls but where there is a will, there is a way. And there will be plenty of will. We ain't seen nothing yet. Don't judge the future options by the relative trickle today.

    And climate change is 100% inevitable too. No matter how we plan to tackle it, it will happen regardless.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    You've swallowed lies and are repeating them.

    It's not a natural process, it's a policy.

    It's not inevitable, it never was. It will eventually be stopped, by which time the societal damage will be done.



  • Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Mac_Lad71


    Who says he's in the minority.

    The only way to find out for sure is via a referendum and that won't happen because most people not with a vested financial interest are opposed to the current immigration policy.

    The current anti-immigration protests are about twenty years too late unfortunately.

    But better late than never.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 655 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99


    Third time iv asked you about a situation in Ireland and the second time iv posted the link to the article

    Third time you are going on about Sweden.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Where did I pick up these lies exactly?

    Look whatever, you keep your finger in the dyke and hope for the best. Politicians across the world need to plan for the worst.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 655 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99


    If the exodus is as big as you say it is and 100s of millions travel to Europe and overwhelm countries then expect all and every obligation and agreement to take in refugees to be thrown out.

    In fact expect all agreements and deals to be forgotten and dismissed long before any kind of mass movement.

    Countries and global economy will completely collapse otherwise.

    Western Nation states won't be committing Hari Kari to accommodate Africa . And rightly so.

    Some people are watching too many fantasy movies



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    I could say you are wrong, but I have no idea what your actual position is....

    Agree with the poster above that the EU can't stop immigration due to its porous border. They could however reform welfare and state supports to reduce the pull factor.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    Politicians in certain countries need to end the artificial policy of mass immigration that they have implemented for economic reason.

    Which they can at any time that the political will to do so arises.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    That's my point. It will change the whole political, social and economic landscape. The EU need to plan for it. They can learn some lessons from recent years but the magnitude will be extraordinary. How do you stop 100s of millions on the move? Fcuked if I know.

    It's not fantasy. Just simple logic. The climate is changing, no point in sticking your head in the sand when it comes to impacts. Cause and Effect.

    I didn't make this 'theory' up by the way 😂

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Ah yes, the flip a switch plan. Good luck with that. As I said, very very very complex with mind boggling numbers.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    If such a referendum were had, the anti mass immigration side would win by a ratio of at least 80-20 despite the opposition of the entire political and media establishments.

    This is known and for this reason no such referendum will be had.

    Mass immigration has historically been, and remains, deeply unpopular among the native people of Europe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,271 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    The greatest thing we have to combat it is… we are an island nation…you can only arrive via aircraft or boat.

    people arriving via aircraft or boat, who do not qualify send them back on the next outbound ones…



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    They essentially flipped a switch to turn it on in the first place. Or, more accurately, opened a flood gate and encouraged the flood.

    It's not a natural, historic process. Were it that, Europe would look different today.

    It's a recent economic imperative. It is both damaging and unpopular. It will eventually be stopped.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Who said it was a natural historic process? In the past, people tended to stay at home because they liked home. They only moved when forced. We know that better than most.

    I am talking about the future. The world is changing. Travel has also become easier. Climate is changing.

    I'd imagine if I denied you your dinner for 7 days in a row, you'd row over to Wales! 😂

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,271 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    The problem with the EU is that it’s becoming or became, sorry, a victim of its own incredible success and hard work….

    that’s been noted by people in less affluent, less safe, less successful and less well off countries… now instead of copying the template we enjoy here. And working to improve their lot .. they want to up sticks and come here.. to be handed housing, healthcare, education and cash payments. 🤷‍♂️ paid for by EU citizens.

    forgo sorting their own shît out… but benefit here from a safer climate, more jobs, a plethora of free state supports, efficient public transport, free attainable healthcare… it’s a dream…



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    hmmmm, so developing counties havent become heavily indebted to primarily western financial institutions, such as the world bank and the imf, and when failing to meet debt repayments to such institutions, policies such as liberalization of markets, privatization of state assets, and austerity, havent been forced upon them, by these institutions!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Jarhead_Tendler




  • Registered Users Posts: 655 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99


    You start now by stopping all migrants who cross water to Europe. All boats are turned around. No NGO ships permitted in the area and no EU countries giving them permission to dock.

    By securing EU waters now and letting would be migrants know that they will not cross you set out your stall going forward. Take the hard decisions now

    The UK off shore Rwanda processing system is something the EU need to consider emulating.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,474 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Very simplistic solutions. It would be nigh on impossible to stop all boat crossings or even 50% of them - most boats travel at night time, under the cover of darkness, with no lights on board.....it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

    The Rwanda policy is a cynical and expensive PR stunt aimed at Tory voters and Daily Mail readers. To my knowledge, not a single person has been deported to Rwanda from the UK since this sham of a scheme was announced. It's all just hot air aimed at keep the anti-refugee crowd energised.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,663 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    And if there is going to be huge immigration to these shores due to climate change, why are we facilitating mainly economic migrants (Ukrainians aside) posing as asylum seekers right now? Surely now would be the time to halt this type of immigration and prepare for the inevitable surge that’s coming down the line. If we continue to accept asylum seekers up until the point where we start getting climate change refugees (the economic migrants will keep coming as ever, btw), I really don’t know what state the country will be in by then.

    Though if they genuinely are fleeing the effects of climate change, then living in a tented community somewhere in mild/grey Ireland may not seem so bad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 655 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99


    We can't allow potentially millions to come and live in tents. It's not realistic or workable for them or us

    Realistically to preserve our countries (in Europe) we won't be able to take any "climate" refugees.

    It's just not possible. Now is the time to put policy in place. Be ahead for once



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  • Registered Users Posts: 655 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99


    Migrants on boats are traveling the same path.

    A serious defense would require an EU border force, satellites covering the waters with constant patrols. 100 fold of what there is now.

    It would require all EU countries to defend their own coastlines and not allow any migrants in under any circumstances.

    You manage to make land, finger prints taken and you are immediately sent back. Caught a second time you will get 20 years in prison and then sent back.

    Europe must preserve itself. It's common sense.



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